Anti-terror tactics weaken law

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Anti-terror tactics 'weaken law'

The UK and the US have "actively undermined" international law in the way they fight terrorism, a report by judges and lawyers has said.

The International Commission of Jurists carried out a three-year global study.

Gains made in the previous century to a shared consensus on human rights have been immensely damaged over the last seven years, it concluded.

The report will make uncomfortable reading for many in governments on both sides of the Atlantic.

After a painstaking study carried out over three years in several countries, the panel of eminent lawyers and judges have concluded that the framework of international law that existed before the 9/11 attacks was robust and effective.

Lack of safeguards

But now, it says, it is being actively undermined by many states and that liberal democracies like the US and the UK have led that undermining.

Many of the measures used to fight terrorism, says the report, are illegal and counter-productive.

The panellists express concern at the lack of adequate safeguards in the use of control orders, the weakness of diplomatic assurances in relation to deportations and at what the report calls "excessive detention without charge".
BOLD And of course none of that is the fault of terrorism itself.
 
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Nowt wrong with that conclusion. Bush and Blair have done more to damage the image of the West as a defender of freedoms than Adolf Hitler. When they couldn't get you legally, they changed the law. 42 days banged up with no charges ring any bells?

The aim of any terr group is to make you change, preferably in the way they want you to. If Terr's paint you as an oppressive state punishing a group for being that group and you change your laws to inflict punishment on that group, then they have won.
 
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This is reportedly Mr. Bush's high opinion of the US Constitution:

He was told by Republican leaders that that trying to force through some parts of the 'Patriot' Act would further anger conservatives.

“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”
 
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KevinB said:
This is reportedly Mr. Bush's high opinion of the US Constitution:

He was told by Republican leaders that that trying to force through some parts of the 'Patriot' Act would further anger conservatives.

“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”
Your beloved President Obama called the US Constitution an "imperfect document" with "deep flaws" which doesn't exactly display a high regard for it either. Your point is?

Do not think that the irony of vermin like you posting on a thread about anti terror laws is lost.
 
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"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
US author, diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer
(1706 - 1790)
Seems to say it all.
 
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LEGZ30 said:
KevinB said:
This is reportedly Mr. Bush's high opinion of the US Constitution:

He was told by Republican leaders that that trying to force through some parts of the 'Patriot' Act would further anger conservatives.

“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”
Your beloved President Obama called the US Constitution an "imperfect document" with "deep flaws" which doesn't exactly display a high regard for it either. Your point is?

Do not think that the irony of vermin like you posting on a thread about anti terror laws is lost.
Mr. Obama referred to a specific issue he had with the Constitution - the problem of slavery, which he believed was not dealt with by the Founding Fathers, “African-Americans were not -- first of all they weren’t African-Americans -- the Africans at the time were not considered as part of the polity that was of concern to the Framers...I don’t think the two views are contradictory, to say that it was a remarkable political document that paved the way for where we are now, and to say that it also reflected the fundamental flaw of this country that continues to this day.”

He did not infer the whole document should be ignored so as to give people less rights (as is definitely the case with the 'Patriot' Act), but that it could have been improved upon to give people more rights.
 
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LEGZ30 said:
KevinB said:
This is reportedly Mr. Bush's high opinion of the US Constitution:

He was told by Republican leaders that that trying to force through some parts of the 'Patriot' Act would further anger conservatives.

“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”
Your beloved President Obama called the US Constitution an "imperfect document" with "deep flaws" which doesn't exactly display a high regard for it either. Your point is?

Do not think that the irony of vermin like you posting on a thread about anti terror laws is lost.
Well now he is a reformed :roll: person he believe he can teach! America about democracy.
 
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halo_jones said:
LEGZ30 said:
KevinB said:
This is reportedly Mr. Bush's high opinion of the US Constitution:

He was told by Republican leaders that that trying to force through some parts of the 'Patriot' Act would further anger conservatives.

“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”
Your beloved President Obama called the US Constitution an "imperfect document" with "deep flaws" which doesn't exactly display a high regard for it either. Your point is?

Do not think that the irony of vermin like you posting on a thread about anti terror laws is lost.
Well now he is a reformed :roll: person he believe he can teach! America about democracy.
Most of us do change from our twenties to our fifties, Halo.

And those are Mr. Obama's words regarding the Constitution and what he regarded as its flaws, not mine. If the Constitution had abolished slavery, freedom would have been granted to more people, whereas the 'Patriot' Act seeks to constrict these freedoms.
 
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We spent hundreds of years trying to get away from the idea that the law was simply the will of the bloke in charge. What a bloody waste.
 

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