Anti-Armour rockets, LAW etc.

[dingerr]

F_R

Any reason for your tedious cut and paste post?

Other than info that any fool can find by the simplest of searches do you have anything to add?

 

[IndianaDel]

I have unresolved anger issues for the chap that decided a LAW was a "light" weapon.
a large lump of conncret (in a inert round used on FTX's, can never be called "light"

 

[dingerr]

Its light compared to a WOMBAT!

 

[baboon6]

House of Commons Hansard Written Answers for 8 Jul 2004 (pt 16)

Mr. Martyn Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on progress in introducing the Army's Intermediate Light Anti-Armour Weapon. [181488]

Mr. Ingram: The Interim Light Anti-Armour Weapon (ILAW) is being procured to provide a light, short-range anti-armour capability in advance of the introduction of the Next Generation Light Anti-Armour Weapon (NLAW). Following a competitive down select, the Saab Bofors Dynamics AT4 anti-armour system has been chosen to meet the ILAW requirement. In parallel, the NLAW programme remains on track to meet the long-term requirement.

As I think someone mentioned, the NLAW programme was won by the Saab-Bofors MBT LAW. There is also the Anti Structures Munition in the pipeline from Dynamit-Nobel, which will do exactly what it says on the tin!

Any idea if the Anti-Structure Munition will be a single-shot or reloadable weapon? Apparently a thermobaric round has been developed for the old 84mmCarl G in the States. The 84 is still in service in a lot of countries, including Canada, Denmark, Sweden and even the US (Rangers and SEALs) . Most use it in conjunction with the 66mm LAW (thermobaric version developed) or AT4, or both. There is also the German Panzerfaust III/Bunkerfaust, which can launch both anti-tank and anti-structure munitions.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2005/03/marines-fought-the-law-and-the-law-won/index.php

LAW back in USMC service

http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=901

More about thermobaric shoulder-fired weapons in general

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/issues/2004/Sep/Special_Operations.htm

Article mentioning thermobaric round for Carl G

http://www.world.guns.ru/grenade/gl32-e.htm

Panzerfaust III/Bunkerfaust

http://ccsweb.pica.army.mil/7shoulder/bdm.htm

SMAW-D, the US Army's Bunker Defeat Munition (BDM)

 

[future_rupert]

Dingerr, just to resolve the issue of what it was, and to demonstrate that it is easily looked up by those who posted the thread in the first place.

 

[dingerr]

b6
The munition will be single shot, throw away. Tactically and logistically this is what we do now.

 

[EX_STAB]

Dingerr, just to resolve the issue of what it was, and to demonstrate that it is easily looked up by those who posted the thread in the first place.

Well not really. Even if I had spent some time looking at photgraphs of all the current AT weapons until I could identify the one in the picture it wouldn't have answered the rest of the questions I put.

 

[baboon6]

b6
The munition will be single shot, throw away. Tactically and logistically this is what we do now.

So probably similar to SMAW-D?

 

[woody]

Its light compared to a WOMBAT!

Yeah but no one told you, could do fire&manouvre with one on your back
did they ?

 

[Petardier]

Actually if you really want to apply a bit 'shock and awe' to them at the other end of the two way range then your best bet is a 90mm RCL firing splintex. AKA 'mobile Claymore' but instead of several hundred ballbearings it had a few thousand small steel darts. Perhaps the yanks have produced a splintex rd for 84mm. (They often call splintex 'beehive')

Of course 90mm (definitely in the mini-Wombat class), was a bit of a load, so not to be carried routinely if footborne (like the old Bazooka it was in 2 parts and had to be clipped together) but for an out and back night ambush was a winner, known to stop (we're talking 20-40 yds apart between padi bunds) all firing for 10 secs while everyone recovered.

 

[In_my_day]

Good job the new one isn't the Infantry New Light Anti-armour Weapon then!

Am I confused by your post, maybe, but aren't the ILAW (Interim LAW, a number of single shot, disposable, OTS rounds bought to bridge the gap until N(ew)LAW is issued) and said NLAW two different things?

IMD

 

[EX_STAB]

Good job the new one isn't the Infantry New Light Anti-armour Weapon then!

Am I confused by your post, maybe, but aren't the ILAW (Interim LAW, a number of single shot, disposable, OTS rounds bought to bridge the gap until N(ew)LAW is issued) and said NLAW two different things?

IMD

Perhaps you're confused:
ILAW - Interim Light Anti-armour Weapon - OTS system as you say.
NLAW - New Light Anti-armour Weapon - The replacement for LAW94 (LAW80?) that we're still waiting for.
INLAW - A family of weapons characterised by ability to bore through all known defensive measures. Terminal effects ranging from irritant to explosive. Although all can produce the well known "shock and Awe" effect, the most feared is the "M" model "Mother" INLAW.

Trust this is clear

 

[Scabster_Mooch]

House of Commons Hansard Written Answers for 8 Jul 2004 (pt 16)

Mr. Martyn Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on progress in introducing the Army's Intermediate Light Anti-Armour Weapon. [181488]

Mr. Ingram: The Interim Light Anti-Armour Weapon (ILAW) is being procured to provide a light, short-range anti-armour capability in advance of the introduction of the Next Generation Light Anti-Armour Weapon (NLAW). Following a competitive down select, the Saab Bofors Dynamics AT4 anti-armour system has been chosen to meet the ILAW requirement. In parallel, the NLAW programme remains on track to meet the long-term requirement.

As I think someone mentioned, the NLAW programme was won by the Saab-Bofors MBT LAW. There is also the Anti Structures Munition in the pipeline from Dynamit-Nobel, which will do exactly what it says on the tin!

Any idea if the Anti-Structure Munition will be a single-shot or reloadable weapon? Apparently a thermobaric round has been developed for the old 84mmCarl G in the States. The 84 is still in service in a lot of countries, including Canada, Denmark, Sweden and even the US (Rangers and SEALs) . Most use it in conjunction with the 66mm LAW (thermobaric version developed) or AT4, or both. There is also the German Panzerfaust III/Bunkerfaust, which can launch both anti-tank and anti-structure munitions.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2005/03/marines-fought-the-law-and-the-law-won/index.php

LAW back in USMC service

http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=901

More about thermobaric shoulder-fired weapons in general

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/issues/2004/Sep/Special_Operations.htm

Article mentioning thermobaric round for Carl G

http://www.world.guns.ru/grenade/gl32-e.htm

Panzerfaust III/Bunkerfaust

http://ccsweb.pica.army.mil/7shoulder/bdm.htm

SMAW-D, the US Army's Bunker Defeat Munition (BDM)

The ASM (or the Matador) is single-shot I think. Video here -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHx9rneYL88

 

[daywalker]

Changing the subject a touch here, but does anyone know when NLAW is actually coming into service?

 

[Nuts_McAuliff]

LASM

The new anti structure rocket thing Light Anti-Structures Missile . Bit like an old 66.

Nuts

 

[baboon6]

LASM

The new anti structure rocket thing Light Anti-Structures Missile . Bit like an old 66.

Nuts

Not a bit like it, it is the old 66mm M72 rocket, albeit an improved version.

 

[Gaz3447]

Good job the new one isn't the Infantry New Light Anti-armour Weapon then!

Am I confused by your post, maybe, but aren't the ILAW (Interim LAW, a number of single shot, disposable, OTS rounds bought to bridge the gap until N(ew)LAW is issued) and said NLAW two different things?

IMD

dingerr and In_My_Day hit it on the nose. The launcher pictured is the ILAW (US AT-4) disposable anti-tank missile launcher. The Interim LAW was purchased to bridge the time from LAW94 going out of service and the SAAB manufactured NLAW coming into service.

ILAW and NLAW are one shot disposable, however NLAW acts more like a disposable Javelin (guided).

Rumours are that NLAW will hit front line units in Q4 2009/Q1 2010, unless pushed through on UOR. However, there's no UOR for it currently with Javelin doing the job more than well enough, and the distinct lack of en armour knocking about in current theatres.

 

[dingerr]

Good job the new one isn't the Infantry New Light Anti-armour Weapon then!

Am I confused by your post, maybe, but aren't the ILAW (Interim LAW, a number of single shot, disposable, OTS rounds bought to bridge the gap until N(ew)LAW is issued) and said NLAW two different things?

IMD

dingerr and In_My_Day hit it on the nose. The launcher pictured is the ILAW (US AT-4) disposable anti-tank missile launcher. The Interim LAW was purchased to bridge the time from LAW94 going out of service and the SAAB manufactured NLAW coming into service.

ILAW and NLAW are one shot disposable, however NLAW acts more like a disposable Javelin (guided).

Rumours are that NLAW will hit front line units in Q4 2009/Q1 2010, unless pushed through on UOR. However, there's no UOR for it currently with Javelin doing the job more than well enough, and the distinct lack of en armour knocking about in current theatres.

Yeh, thanks for that vote of confidence, I don't know how i've survived the last 16 years in the ammunition world without your help

 

[Gaz3447]

Good job the new one isn't the Infantry New Light Anti-armour Weapon then!

Am I confused by your post, maybe, but aren't the ILAW (Interim LAW, a number of single shot, disposable, OTS rounds bought to bridge the gap until N(ew)LAW is issued) and said NLAW two different things?

IMD

dingerr and In_My_Day hit it on the nose. The launcher pictured is the ILAW (US AT-4) disposable anti-tank missile launcher. The Interim LAW was purchased to bridge the time from LAW94 going out of service and the SAAB manufactured NLAW coming into service.

ILAW and NLAW are one shot disposable, however NLAW acts more like a disposable Javelin (guided).

Rumours are that NLAW will hit front line units in Q4 2009/Q1 2010, unless pushed through on UOR. However, there's no UOR for it currently with Javelin doing the job more than well enough, and the distinct lack of en armour knocking about in current theatres.

Yeh, thanks for that vote of confidence, I don't know how i've survived the last 16 years in the ammunition world without your help

Last I checked, this was a forum about kit, where ideally anyone with the relevent subject knowledge could pipe in. I was adding weight to your points, not trying to patronise it. Read the post again and notice it was directed to EX_STAB, who opened the topic, along with a later poster who was asking about the rough timescales of NLAW coming in. Some of us use these things in anger instead of tinkering with them, so kindly point your arrogance elsewhere.

 

[HE117]

I believe that is a thermobaric weapon. The Russians have been using these for years. Strange how its taken us so long to catch on.

Check your A&ER disk Ding...

I don't think the "T" word is used.....