Anti-Armour rockets, LAW etc.

#1
What's being fired in this picture from Afghanistan? When I left in the early 90s LAW66 was supposed to be going out, LAW94 coming in and a bunker buster was "in procurement" (!)
I subsequently heard that LAW94 was withdrawn.

What's in the armoury now and how good are they?



Edit to sort picture out it's in the Herrick Gallery.
 
#2
Would love to help, but your picture isn't appearing...

Wild stab in the dark it could be Javelin your talking about, its the new 3rd gen anti tank missile we have bought off the yanks (and improved). Awesome bit of kit, very easy to use, can defeat all known armour/countermeasures & can be used for bunkers also.
 
#3
As frosty said could be Javelin which is currently replacing Milan which replaced the Carl Gustav 84 /Wombat,if not fired from a post i.e: single soldier operation could be NLAW which replaces LAW94, kin ell! not bad for a mortar man :cyclopsani:

Look here for info on the LAW
Web Page Name
 
#4
The picture won't show for me but the item being fired is likely to be a Javelin or AT4. As said the Javelin replaced Milan. The AT4 replaced the 94mm LAW (AT4 is also known as ILAW).

Javelin (Guided Missile) and AT4 (Free Flight Rocket) both incorporate soft launch capability which means backblast is greatly reduced making them usable for OBUA (or whatever its called now)

Its not known if Javelin will defeat all known armour although it is designed to attack the top armour and incorporates a tandem warhead to defeat reactive armour. 3rd Generation is a misnomer utilized by the media/advertisers. There would not be a 4th generation missile system.

Javelins easy to recognise on the launcher (CLU) as it looks like the launch tube is pointing in up the air and not at the target.

BTW 66mm is still used by SF
 
#5
This is bizarre :scratch: When I was in, Javalin (sp?) was replacing blowpipe, which is air defence. OK I got out in '94, so much will have changed. But then again maybe not, as the 'new Bulldog AFV looks very much like the good old 432 stuff I'm used to ;)
 
#6
There are two Javelins in service as far as I know, one for air defence and the other for anti armour. A wee bit confusing i suppose.
 
#7
Bumped now I've sorted the picture.

I always thought 66 was a useful thing for recce patrols. If you come into contact, fire one of those at them for a bit of handheld "shock and awe" whilst bugging out. Never had to do it for real of course and it would be better with a blast or dual purpose warhead but it's compact enough to carry about easily.

LAW 94 seemed far to cumbersome to be of much use. As I recall, before introduction, the doctrine was going to be that everyone in an Inf section was supposed to carry one!
 
#9
3milesniper said:
As frosty said could be Javelin which is currently replacing Milan which replaced the Carl Gustav 84 /Wombat,if not fired from a post i.e: single soldier operation could be NLAW which replaces LAW94, kin ell! not bad for a mortar man :cyclopsani:

Look here for info on the LAW
Web Page Name
Good job the new one isn't the Infantry New Light Anti-armour Weapon then! :D
 
#10
how things have changed since 86 when i got out..

84MM AND 66MM FOR THE GOOD OLD RIFLE PLATOONS..

THE MILAN HAD BEEN IN FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS WITH THE ANTI TANKS PLATOON..
 
#11
No we cant use the INLAW as it's banned inder the Geneva Conventions :lol:
 
#12
EX_STAB said:
Bumped now I've sorted the picture.
Nice one E_S, it is an AT4.

Back_row_roar said:
There are two Javelins in service as far as I know, one for air defence and the other for anti armour. A wee bit confusing i suppose.
The AD Javelin went out of service a few years back, but if you are feeling a little nostalgic you will be pleased to know that we still have Swingfire, which has been in service for around 30 years and its a few years before it will be replaced.
 
#13
EX_STAB said:
Bumped now I've sorted the picture.

LAW 94 seemed far to cumbersome to be of much use. As I recall, before introduction, the doctrine was going to be that everyone in an Inf section was supposed to carry one!
That died a death pretty quickly .1 in a section if that horrid thing fun to fire though.
 
#16
Jacques_Bustard said:
I'm not sure the picture shows a Javelin, see the Javelin pics in the link below and its does not appear the same weapon as shown above.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/javelin-pics.htm
If you had read the rest of the thread this has already been established.

I think it might be one of these (follow the link)

http://www.dn-defence.com/en/index_5.html
If you had read the rest of the thread you would know its not one of these.
 
#17
House of Commons Hansard Written Answers for 8 Jul 2004 (pt 16)

Mr. Martyn Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on progress in introducing the Army's Intermediate Light Anti-Armour Weapon. [181488]

Mr. Ingram: The Interim Light Anti-Armour Weapon (ILAW) is being procured to provide a light, short-range anti-armour capability in advance of the introduction of the Next Generation Light Anti-Armour Weapon (NLAW). Following a competitive down select, the Saab Bofors Dynamics AT4 anti-armour system has been chosen to meet the ILAW requirement. In parallel, the NLAW programme remains on track to meet the long-term requirement.
As I think someone mentioned, the NLAW programme was won by the Saab-Bofors MBT LAW. There is also the Anti Structures Munition in the pipeline from Dynamit-Nobel, which will do exactly what it says on the tin!
 
#18
I believe that is a thermobaric weapon. The Russians have been using these for years. Strange how its taken us so long to catch on.
 
#19
Fairly sure that it is ILAW – being used pending delivery of NLAW.

As has been said – AD JAVELIN was replaced some time ago by HVM (High Velocity Missile).

The other JAVELIN is a US build that has replaced MILAN because the European MR TRIGAT Programme went adrift (too much multinationality, too expensive, too many compromises!!)
 
#20
AT4
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AT4

M136 AT4 launcher being fired (note the large back blast, a significant problem when operating the weapon in urban environments)
Type Anti-tank
Place of origin Sweden
Specifications
Weight 6.7 kg
Length 1016 mm

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Caliber 84 mm
Muzzle velocity 285 m/s
Sights Iron sights, night vision
This article is about an unguided anti-tank weapon. For the Russian guided anti-tank missile, see AT-4 Spigot.
The AT4 (or AT-4) is a portable one-shot anti-tank weapon built in Sweden by Saab Bofors Dynamics (previously Bofors Anti Armour Systems). In the U.S. and NATO inventory it replaces the M72 LAW (Light Anti-armor Weapon). Saab have had considerable sales success with the AT4, making it one of the most common light anti-tank weapons in the world. It is intended to give infantry units a means to destroy or disable armored vehicles and fortifications they may encounter (though it is not generally sufficient to defeat a modern main battle tank). The launcher and projectile are manufactured pre-packed as a single unit, and the launcher is discarded after use.

Contents [hide]
1 Development
2 Operation
3 Specifications
4 Projectiles
4.1 HEAT (High Explosive Anti Tank)
4.2 HEDP (High Explosive Dual Purpose)
4.3 HP (High Penetration)
5 AT4 CS
6 Operators
7 Notes
8 External links



[edit] Development
The AT4 is a development of the 60 mm Pskott m/68 (Miniman), adopted by the Swedish army in 1968. Like the m/68, the AT4 was designed by Förenade fabriksverken (FFV) and manufactured at their facility at Zakrisdal, Karlstad, Sweden.

Even before the AT4 had been adopted by Sweden it participated in a competition for a new anti-tank weapon for the US Army. Runners up were the AT4 and the German Armbrust. Though impressed with the AT4, the US Army saw room for improvement - specifically the sights and slings, which were redesigned. Thereafter, the AT4 was adopted by the US army as the M136 antitank grenade launcher (LAW). The Swedish army recognised these improvements and subsequently adopted the Americanized version of the AT4 as the Pansarskott m/86 (Pskott m/86).

In the early 1990s there were tests with new 120 mm version with a tandem charge that would be able to penetrate the front armour of any modern MBT. However the project was canceled due to the dissolution of the Soviet Union and cuts in defence budget.


[edit] Operation
The AT4 operates on the principle of a "recoilless weapon," meaning that the forward inertia of the projectile is balanced by the mass of propellant gases ejecting out the rear of the barrel. Since the weapon generates almost no recoil, a relatively large projectile can be fired which would otherwise be impossible in a man-portable weapon. Additionally, since the barrel does not have to contend with the extreme pressures found in traditional guns, it can be designed to be very lightweight. The disadvantage of this design is that it creates a large "back-blast" area behind the weapon which can cause severe burns and pressure injuries - both to friendly personnel in the vicinity of the user and, in some cases, to the user himself. This makes it difficult to employ in confined areas.

To fire, the user must first ensure that no friendly troops or equipment are present in the backblast area. If firing from the prone, (i.e. lying on his stomach) he must also place his legs well to the side to avoid burning himself. He then disengages two safeties, cocks a mechanical firing pin and presses a trigger button. Aiming is accomplished via range-adjustable plastic sights, which are concealed beneath sliding covers for transport. Alternatively, the weapon can carry an optical night-sight on a removable mount. The AT4 requires little training and is quite simple to utilize, making it suitable for general issue. Because the expensive unit cost is prohibitive to regular live-fire training, practice versions exist which are identical in operation but fire reloadable 9mm or 20mm tracers. The 20mm version is also a recoilless weapon and is favored by the Swedish army because of the added realism of the back-blast as compared to the "plonk" sound of the 9mm round (very similar to tapping your finger on an empty can).


[edit] Specifications
Length: 101.6 cm (40 in.)
Weight: 6.7 kg (14.75 pounds)
Bore diameter: 84 mm
Maximum effective range: 300 metres (984.3 feet)
Penetration: 400 mm of rolled homogeneous armour (also see below)
Time of Flight (to 250 metres): less than 1 second
Muzzle velocity: 285 metres (950 feet) per second
Operating temperature: -40 to +60° C (-40 to +140° F)
Ammunition: Fin-stabilized projectile with shaped charge warhead

[edit] Projectiles
There are several different projectiles for the AT4. Note that since the AT4 is a one-shot weapon, these projectiles are preloaded.


[edit] HEAT (High Explosive Anti Tank)
The AT4 HEAT is a low-trajectory, low-dispersion weapon that can penetrate up to 420 mm of armour.


[edit] HEDP (High Explosive Dual Purpose)
For use with bunkers and buildings. The projectile can be set to detonate on impact or with a delayed detonation.


[edit] HP (High Penetration)
Extra high penetration ability. Can penetrate 500 to 600 mm armour.


[edit] AT4 CS
The AT4 CS (Confined Space) is a variant of the AT4 specially designed for urban warfare.

The regular AT4 can be extremely dangerous to fire from confined spaces due to the extreme increase in pressure. The back flame can also bounce back at the soldier if there is a wall or another solid object within 15 metres of the breech. The "CS" version utilizes a liquid countermass ejected from the rear upon firing, which neutralizes some of the backblast. While the CS is considerably safer than the regular AT4, there have still been reports of soldiers fainting when firing the AT4 CS from confined spaces.


[edit] Operators
Brazil used in Brazilian Army
France
Ireland, designated SRAAW in the Irish Defence Forces.
Lithuania
Netherlands
Sweden, designated Pansarskott m/86 (AT4, all versions) and used by all branches of the Swedish Armed Forces.
Republic of China (Taiwan)
United Kingdom, designated L2A1 (ILAW) (AT4 CS with high penetration warhead), used by the British Army. [1]
United States, designated M136 AT4 in USMC and United States Army service.
Chile
Venezuela
Denmark
 

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