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I thought that all ORs started off as troopers once they'd been badged? Is that correct? It must be financially damaging to pass selection as (say) a CSgt and get dropped to the bottom rung. That can't be right surely? I did ask once and was told 'It's complicated.' - as this thread bears out.

That was the case up until 1976 as I recall. When the pay banding changed about then, it helped neutralised the pay loss for SNCO's joining the Regiment, by augmenting the differential in loss with 'skills' pay. SF moved into a higher band.
 

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I thought that all ORs started off as troopers once they'd been badged? Is that correct? It must be financially damaging to pass selection as (say) a CSgt and get dropped to the bottom rung. That can't be right surely? I did ask once and was told 'It's complicated.' - as this thread bears out.

Nobody loses pay on joining. I think new joiners mark time until their new pay scale catches up, plus they get RRP on top.
 
Barring injury or disciplinary dramas, do many blokes voluntarily RTU? I only as as we had a guy from the RAMC go through nearly twenty odd years ago who had been an operating department practitioner before attempting Selection.

I can’t imagine working that hard to attain what they do, only do go Nah, stuff it, I’ll go back to mess tin repairs.

This question arose in a previous thread some time back. I was attached to an Int.Corps unit which ran a sensitive phase of the Army Combat Survival course. Those candidates seeking completion of their SF 'Army' long course were aware that in a matter of hours they would be through the door.

In a few instances, I was surprised to answer an 'Umpire' request to find that a candidate wanted to withdraw from continuing with this phase. Reasons given in my personal experiences varied from - " I just wanted to prove to myself that I could do it" or in another instance - " My brother got through it and I just wanted to show him that I could do it too". It was a shameful waste of instructional input besides candidates' efforts which in turn contributed to a review of the specialised SF world.

Cutting to the chase, SF Group recognised that there was talent likely to be misdirected to SAS / SBS / SRR ( current ) best suited to other options, hence 'Army' candidates finding an engaging career with the 'Navy' via a common selection process. The process took into account gender (SRR )

I know of a few SAS badged Int. Corps personalities who returned to their unit with a view to commissioning which they achieved, I worked with a gent when he was a Sgt. in a f/fall troop to meet up later in life as a Major and my boss in the Int. Corps environs.

So, in answer to your question, the system has become very accommodating with choice of unit and has been since the 80's as I recall, assuming you fit the profile of what it takes of course.
 
Funnily enough, I enjoyed Falconer’s book in the main, apart his constant bitchwailing about the SAS, and the fact says he went SB straight from training. Was/is that a thing? I’m in no position to black cat him, I’m just surprised that was permitted even when he went through.

I've got Falconer's book. He says the CTCRM-to-SBS first draft was an experimental thing for a handful of recruits. He mentions that one of his basic training corporals was on the same selection. On their first day at RM Poole, this corporal spotted them in the SBS accomodation, and told them to get themselves over the Driver Training block, or wherever. He was not impressed, when they told him they were SBS recruits, and he went to have a word with the DS. He was even less impressed, when the DS informed him that they were indeed bona fide SBS candidates, and told them they wouldn't last more than a few days on the course.
 
I'm obviously well out-of-date. So there's now a common UKSF selection course that streams successful applicants to the appropriate arm - which might not necessarily be the successful applicant's initial preference? I suppose that makes more sense than losing potentially good lads & lasses.
 
I'm obviously well out-of-date. So there's now a common UKSF selection course that streams successful applicants to the appropriate arm - which might not necessarily be the successful applicant's initial preference? I suppose that makes more sense than losing potentially good lads & lasses.

Simply put....... yes but with bells attached.
 
There's nothing unusual in that; at the time he was serving at Hereford Bootnecks joining 22 from Royal (and the RAF) had to have a parent regiment in the Army and unsurprisingly the vast majority joined the Parachute Regiment. The various operational honours lists often listed as 'Parachute Regiment many guys who had never worn a maroon beret.
I think they were shown as Parachute Regiment, as both were administered by Infantry Manning and Records Office South at Exeter in the days before they were all amalgamated and moved to Glasgow.
 
1980's Alert, but - On the wages front, first 6 month (selection) is normal held rank, no change. After that and on completion of skills course then you are paid as a band 7 Cpl + SF daily uplift meant that your day rate was substantially higher than most SNCO's. Tpr to Lance Jack meant £0 difference. Big difference was Cpl to Sgt as you were then paid as a S/Sgt and that continued for every subsequent promotion i.e. always paid one rank above.

I was on my FFQ at Warminster and held local Sgt for the course. During a session with a Fijian RQMS in the mess over several sherbets, he asked me how much I was paid. I knocked off 'a bit' from the true amount, to which his response was, 'bloody hell, you're almost on the same as me then. I didn't have the heart to tell him I was actually a lance jack in the Squadron!
 
I've got Falconer's book. He says the CTCRM-to-SBS first draft was an experimental thing for a handful of recruits. He mentions that one of his basic training corporals was on the same selection. On their first day at RM Poole, this corporal spotted them in the SBS accomodation, and told them to get themselves over the Driver Training block, or wherever. He was not impressed, when they told him they were SBS recruits, and he went to have a word with the DS. He was even less impressed, when the DS informed him that they were indeed bona fide SBS candidates, and told them they wouldn't last more than a few days on the course.
I was at RM Poole with 95 when these people started going through. Although not much filtered out of the SBS domain, there were disturbing reports of poor discipline, particularly in regard to weapon handling. RM Poole is in the middle of a housing estate and an incident that was the subject of a court of inquiry involved a 9mm round going through a bathroom window. This was reported in the local paper, so could not be kept quiet.
 
I was at RM Poole with 95 when these people started going through
Was that 95 Regt RA? The forerunner to 148 Bty which was disbanded in 1975 wasn't it?
RM Poole is in the middle of a housing estate
Not only that, but right next door to Rockley Sands Caravan Park which I thought was a strange place for a SF unit to be based, especially as SBS are now the major unit now 1 Assault Group and 10 LC trg sqn moved down to their new base at Plymouth a few years ago.
 

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