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Another two Ministers caught in a sting

#4
Yet more pigs to the trough money grabing twats. I wounder how may of them will be going for the maximum benefits the day after they get the boot. The golden handshake they get binned will im sure vanish overseas and they will be claiming the max as they are tecnicaly skint and unemployed.
 
#6
I still think that we are reaping the rewards of paying the people we expect to run our nation peanuts.

Low calibre to££ers, most of them, but here you have a former minister grubbing around simply trying to make the same money as a GP.

It is our own fault. In a democracy you get the leaders you deserve.
 
#7
Micawber said:
I still think that we are reaping the rewards of paying the people we expect to run our nation peanuts.

Low calibre to££ers, most of them, but here you have a former minister grubbing around simply trying to make the same money as a GP.

It is our own fault. In a democracy you get the leaders you deserve.
Peanuts?
My local MP helps himself to more than £280,000 a year of our money.
Hardly peanuts.
 
#8
Micawber said:
I still think that we are reaping the rewards of paying the people we expect to run our nation peanuts.
Well, the people who were running the banks were showered with gold like so many degenerate Roman Emperors, and they still managed to foul things up on a global scale.

So that screws that theory.
 
#9
Micawber said:
I still think that we are reaping the rewards of paying the people we expect to run our nation peanuts.

Low calibre to££ers, most of them, but here you have a former minister grubbing around simply trying to make the same money as a GP.

It is our own fault. In a democracy you get the leaders you deserve.
Are you implying that a GP earns £238K a year? I thought GP's were on £120k depending on practice :(
 
#10
It's worth remembering that Thatcher brought in the expenses to try and level the playing field between MP's and Professionals. Labour then raped the system for all they could get.
 
#11
I wonder why these 2 pieces of scum weren't included in the broadcast last Monday, and why these and that Moran woman were not relieved of their party whip.

It wouldn't be that Hoon, Hewitt and Byers have been particularly opposed to Brown as party leader would it? It seems that some sleaze is acceptable in New Labour, while those who rock the boat are thrown out on their ear, within 6 hours of the Deputy Leader of New Labour claiming that these people had done no wrong.

I first heard about this sting taking place and being ready for showing a couple of months ago, but conveniently it was kept "on the shelf" until a week where the news was guaranteed to change midweek, due to the budget.
 
#12
Micawber said:
I still think that we are reaping the rewards of paying the people we expect to run our nation peanuts.
MPs are paid very well for what can only be a part-time occupation. I believe the poor quality of MPs is a direct result of paying them too much rather than too little. It has created a class of professional politicians who have had little or no experience of the commercial world.

Good example: David Milliband - 41 year old multi millionaire and never had a real job.
 
#14
Pigshyt_Freeman said:
Micawber said:
I still think that we are reaping the rewards of paying the people we expect to run our nation peanuts.
Well, the people who were running the banks were showered with gold like so many degenerate Roman Emperors, and they still managed to foul things up on a global scale.

So that screws that theory.
On the other hand, the executive of Singapore are amongst the most highly paid people there. The entire public sector there is seen as a prestigious career for the most talented and the pay, pensions and perks reflect that.

MPs salaries haven't kept pace with a comparable level in the private sector in terms of the level of responsibility they're supposed to exercise. It's hardly surprising that, coupled with a party system that acts in the best interest of the party and not the nation, we now have MPs that aren't worth what they are paid.
 
#16
Micawber said:
Oh right, so we don't want the best MP's we can find then, just cheap ones.

That'll do it.
What I don't want are MP's who's prime motivation is lining their own pockets.
Increasing MP's pay isn't going to imrove the caliber of candidates, it is simply going to make it more profitable for the current self serving thieves.
Improved pay will not alter the way candidates are parachuted into safe seats in return for favours done.
UK politics is fundementally corrupt, improved pay rates will only increase the reward for that corruption.

Politics is not about serving the country, it is only a system of allowing the corrupt to serve themselves.
 
#17
Micawber said:
Oh right, so we don't want the best MP's we can find then, just cheap ones.

That'll do it.
You are making the flawed argument that paying more will automatically get 'the best' politicians. That in itself assumes that the 'best' leaders of a country are people primarily motivated by a thirst for money.

Qualities of obligation, honour, integrity, service and duty might perhaps matter as much, and who knows, even more than personal ambition.
 

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#19
Pigshyt_Freeman said:
Micawber said:
Oh right, so we don't want the best MP's we can find then, just cheap ones.

That'll do it.
You are making the flawed argument that paying more will automatically get 'the best' politicians. That in itself assumes that the 'best' leaders of a country are people primarily motivated by a thirst for money.

Qualities of obligation, honour, integrity, service and duty might perhaps matter as much, and who knows, even more than personal ambition.
Unfortunately we do not see those qualities any more because being a politician is seen as a career move by people who have been unsuccessful in their work, do not have much to do with the constituency they represent, and work only for the benefit of their party rather than the people of this country.

I do not really care how much they are paid but do wish they did not regard themselves above the law. I have to produce receipts for every item I wish to claim. Why should they not do the same?
I do wish they were not treated differently by the police when brought to book.
I do wish they were local to their constituency and chosen on their merit.

I could carry on wishing but none of it will ever come true because those in parliament will keep things the way they want and the people of this country no longer have the guts to stand up for themselves and make it clear that MPs are there to represent the people and not merely there to provide money for them to spend.

On the other hand I am glad I watched the Grand Prix this morning because there is pie and pints for lunch and, now the sun has come out, I shall potter to the shed after.
 
#20
smartascarrots said:
MPs salaries haven't kept pace with a comparable level in the private sector in terms of the level of responsibility they're supposed to exercise.
I'd agree with that as far as senior MPs go. A job running an organisation the size of the Home Office or NHS is worth far more than a minister's salary.

At the opposite end of the scale, there's no way newbie MPs in their mid 20s can justify a six figure salary, most of which is tax free.

Consider Gorbals Mick, our former speaker. A former sheet metal worker with not an O-level to his name. If he hadn't been in Parliament he'd be on the dole.

What about that young girl who was elected to the Norwich seat for the Tories. She was only a few years out of university. Her job is to follow the instructions on her Blackberry, delivered by the party whips each morning, and relay letters from angry constituents to appropriate government departments.

It's a mid-range admin job combined with being a local advert for the Tory party in Norwich. There's no way she can justify £100,000+ for a job like that.
 

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