Another tosspot Copper

#1
Detective Chief Inspector Mick Atkinson, the senior investigating officer, said: “We worked closely with the Crown Prosecution Service to bring this case before the court as it was believed it was one a jury should decide upon.”

He added: “We would urge anyone who feels under threat in a situation like this one to contact police at the earliest opportunity and not take the law into their own hands.”

Yeah, right...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5889125.ece

msr

Excellent news - every thug, burglar and criminal should beware now that this precedent has been set. Let's get the balance right in society - anyone who forces entry into your home should expect a potentially lethal outcome. If it's not your home, keep out!

Steve, Warwick, UK
 
#3
SkiCarver said:
even the prosecutor thought he should get off. how much of our money did that waste?
If he thought that then why did he give the decision to charge the bloke?

It's not the OB's call any more, the CPS decide on all but the most minor offences. It's also they who advise the OB on what evidence to gather, hence the "hard work". Though a good result none the less.
 
#4
Good drills on behalf of the victim though.

Bodybuild all you like, you'll still go down like a sack of shit :D
 
#5
Excellent result.

It always find it strange when people say you should not be able to use lethal force against burglars because as TV or whatever is not worth a human life. This is the wrong way round. It should be a warning to the burglars to tell them that they should not risk their life for a TV.

Once someone tries to enter someones home then any amount of force should be allowed. Remember the burglar chooses to put himself in the house so he should have no sympathy and no right to claim against the owner no matter how badly injured or indeed dead.
 
#6
You are a very angry man aren't you

Lots of people you want to kill, and see killed.
 
#7
Good result! I am sure that I am not the only one who thought that in that situation I would have to shoot. I like many live out in the sticks. I have a healthy collection of legally owned firearms well secured. Should someone overpower me they would have as long as they liked to attack the cabinet and get the goods inside. The result would be a lot of firearms in the very wrong hands with the potential of innocents being killed. Much safer to shoot or otherwise render incapable the person who has/ is attempting to illegally access my domicile.
 
#8
Mighty_doh_nut said:
You are a very angry man aren't you

Lots of people you want to kill, and see killed.
Not angry at all. I just like the idea of criminals getting their just rewards. Remember the people who enter other people's homes to commit burglary are there by their own free will, so it would not be as if the owner forced them to break in just so they could be killed.

Can you give a good reason why any home owner should not be allowed to use maximum force to protect his family and home from people who have broken in?
 
#9
I happen to agree regarding the treatment on burglars, I'm merely stating that you are an angry man and in your eyes alot of people need to be put to death.

A little odd for a copper I thought
 
#10
Mighty_doh_nut said:
I happen to agree regarding the treatment on burglars, I'm merely stating that you are an angry man and in your eyes alot of people need to be put to death.

A little odd for a copper I thought
Well I am not a copper and even if I was, I would still be allowed to have my own views on such matters.
 
#11
Now he does deserve a meddle
 
#12
I'm very surprised he got off with it, though I do agree with home owners being allowed to go nuclear on thieving pikeys, chavs and druggies. I would have no compunction whatsoever in letting rip with the ordnance on anyone going through my smalls draw. In your own time... go on!
 
#13
TIGER-MONKEY said:
Mighty_doh_nut said:
You are a very angry man aren't you

Lots of people you want to kill, and see killed.
Not angry at all. I just like the idea of criminals getting their just rewards. Remember the people who enter other people's homes to commit burglary are there by their own free will, so it would not be as if the owner forced them to break in just so they could be killed.

Can you give a good reason why any home owner should not be allowed to use maximum force to protect his family and home from people who have broken in?
ME! I can. Pissed bloke forces key into door of wrong house, thinks wife has locked him out, breaks in.......... shot dead!

OK I too believe we should kill scum who deliberately break into your home, just saying there could be a mistake! :D
 
#14
No mistake in DCI Tigermonkeys eyes, kill now ask later.
 
#15
TIGER-MONKEY said:
/quote]

ME! I can. Pissed bloke forces key into door of wrong house, thinks wife has locked him out, breaks in.......... shot dead!

OK I too believe we should kill scum who deliberately break into your home, just saying there could be a mistake! :D
True, living for a while on a Barrats estate I had trouble in finding my place sober..
 
#16
I think in this case from the reports (and one must remember they are not always complete) it would seem right that a jury made this descision. Yes they made what appears to be the right descision on the basis of the press report, but justice needs not only to be done but to be seen to be done. Good justice is never cheap, nor should we seek justuice on the cheap.
 

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#17
The copper was not a tosspot at all. He said the jury needed to decide on this one, and with good reason. The nature of how our courts decide, and how many of our laws are created is based on prior cases in both Crown courts and High courts.

The decision of this jury sets a precedence for future trials, just as the Tony Martin case did at one time.

If some 20 stone 'tard builder was threatening me with violence over money I didn't owe him, and then told me he was coming to get me, and then was found to be breaking into my house through a 1st floor window, I would also be so terrified that I'd get my gun out of the cabinet, and possibly be shaking so much that it went off, straight into the guy's chest.

The same thing might happen if I heard an intruder downstairs in my house at 2am in the morning and my daughter was sleeping peacefully on the 1st floor. I'd have to get my gun, make sure it was loaded, and protect my family from whatever the threat might be.

There are many ways to ensure that the laws of evolution play a significant role in the survival of our species. One of them is to run across a busy motorway; another might be to break into the wrong house at 2am because you've had a skinful; yet another might be to go base-jumping without checking your chute and reserve first. In all these cases, you are taking one hell of a risk by being rather stupid, and the method of ensuring your genes get passed on to future generations would be DON'T DO IT STUPID!
 
#18
Well done that judge and jury. A few more cases like his and we can forget about burglaries.
 
#19
.338lapua_magnum said:
I like many live out in the sticks.
[Law enforcement hat off] Sooo... plenty of places to bury the body then. Nobody need ever know you've defended yourself with lethal force.[Law enforcement hat on/]

I agree with the plod; this was one for a jury to decide on. Isn't that the whole point of the jury system?
 
#20
right-grumpy said:
TIGER-MONKEY said:
Mighty_doh_nut said:
You are a very angry man aren't you

Lots of people you want to kill, and see killed.
Not angry at all. I just like the idea of criminals getting their just rewards. Remember the people who enter other people's homes to commit burglary are there by their own free will, so it would not be as if the owner forced them to break in just so they could be killed.

Can you give a good reason why any home owner should not be allowed to use maximum force to protect his family and home from people who have broken in?
ME! I can. Pissed bloke forces key into door of wrong house, thinks wife has locked him out, breaks in.......... shot dead!

OK I too believe we should kill scum who deliberately break into your home, just saying there could be a mistake! :D
Here's a real live point in question.

see post marked Honestly Held Belief

http://coppersblog.blogspot.com/2009_01_01_archive.html
 

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