Now how did they get the footage 'It obtained the footage from a whistleblower, who they declined to identify.'
Why did this whistle blower go to a tabloid? If he or she did it to expose the truth or some such cobblers, why not go to the police, Military or civi? I hope no one is going to suggest that this has been done for monetery gain? and why can't the papers work with the police to sort this mess out then go public with a story (whistle blowing papers to get MOD assistance in writing an exclusive) after guilt has been proved or disproved?
I'd believe that they were bringing us news, rather than speculation and sensationalism.
I hope I don't have to restate the obvious but I will , for those short of memory or new joiners.
1. Keep replies sane and mature , leave the F-words and Journo slagging out of it.
2. Do not reveal or discuss anything you may or may not know , or repeat a conversation you heard "At the Sally wagon this morning"
3. Do not use or make statements that may be of use to a hostile press at home or abroad. Think twice before you post , no matter how 'funny' you may think it is. Remember , most of us have friends and colleagues there.
4. If it is announced that there will be any form of trial or deep investigation (arrests etc) , I will close this thread and delete any others that start , pending the outcome as per normal policy here.
5. There is an information war going on right now , and like it or not , we are part of it. Do not give anything away that may be of use or comfort to the other team , wherever they may be.
TODAY we expose a rogue squad of British soldiers who savagely attacked a defenceless bunch of Iraqi teenagers âand with 42 brutal blows brought shame on our nation and its proud army.
The horrifying scenes on these pages will shock the world and ignite a huge military scandal.
They were captured on a secret home video â apparently filmed for "fun" by a corporalâand show at least eight of his hulking comrades cruelly:
DRAGGING four weedy riotersâall apparently in their early teensâoff the street and behind the high walls of a secluded army compound,
BEATING them senseless with vicious blows from batons, boots and fists,
IGNORING their pitiful pleas for mercy, until the incident climaxes with what appears to be an NCO delivering a sickening full-force kick in the genitals of a cringeing lad pinned to the ground.
All the while the callous cameraman delivers a stomach-churning commentary urging his mates on, cackling with laughter and screaming: "Oh yes! Oh yes! You're gonna get it. Yes, naughty little boys! You little f***ers, you little f***ers. DIE! Ha, ha!"
This 'World Exclusive' video apparently happened in 2004 during the riots in southern Iraq. Given what has just happened with the Danish cartoons, isnât the News of the World now jeopardising the lives of those serving there now? What happened to common sense in these situations? Yes it is deplorable and the thugs should be disciplined, but as with the Denmark situation, the whole Army will now be branded Iraqi Prisoner beaters!
But hey it sells papers right?
Correct, the MoD should have applied for a Court injunction to stop this article being published (maybe they did) as our boys in Iraq are now subject to the same reaction by the muslims as the Danish have endured. How the hell can the MoD let this happen at this time????? The NOTW will 'back our troops' when this causes riots in Basra, Maysan and Al Muthanna. This is the most irresponsible journalistic decision I have ever seen, and the NOTW and the MoD must be held responsible for any adverse reaction by the locals in Iraq.
Well done the NOTW and the MoD - I bet the lads serving in Iraq will love your common sense approach to this.
Why the time delay? Such a delay leads me to wonder about motive. Maybe they clashed with those Mirror photos and therefore thought they might be dismissed as another fake...Can anyone remember when the Mirror 'fakes' were around?
Shaking my head in disbelief at the NOTW for pulling this out of the bag now!
Sitting on video and "blowing the whistle" 2 years down the line smacks heavily of "for financial gain" (If it was a whistle blower)
I suggest the NOTW send out their prominent "journalists" and maybe an editor or two to cover the resulting nause this causes at the pointy end.
Just listened to a description of the video from a BBC journo on BBC world, he didn't dramatise it but the soldiers involved appear to have dragged Iraqis into the compound in head locks then given them a pasting rather than on the street heat of the moment action, FFS some one was videoing it, probably some remf charlie cowering behind the texan walls, on a five minute fag break from his paper shuffling or water burning
IMHO if you are involved in violent rioting against soldiers don't come crying when you get filled in.
When is everybody going to learn ......Christ don't video it
More pressure not required by units on the ground and the armed forces in general
The papers claim that people have a right to know what goes on. Assuming that's true, it means they are justified in printing the facts of this case.
However, the language used in most of those articles is emotive and non-factual.
The lads who did this and filmed it should be disciplined, although thanks to the media coverage their punishment will no doubt now be totally out of proportion to the crime.
And the tabloids should be made to answer for making a dangerous and difficult job all the more dangerous and difficult. Maybe Robert Kellaway would like to change places with one of my team when we fly back into BAS later this week.
A good luck to RFUK and everyone else out there - even if it is from an inconsequential civvie (we don't all think you're baby-eating monsters, regardless of what the press say).
As for the NotW...what's there to say that can be said within PtP's guidelines? The smart thing would have been for the NotW to pass the video over to the RMP and then stay quiet and wait for due process to happen. The perpetrators would have been brought to book (assuming enough evidence was actually present to convict), the NotW could have run a headline claiming 'it was us wot exposed this shocker' and got their scoop and the Army would have been seen to have clamped on brutality. There'd have been a few hacked off nutters but the news that the guilty ones had already been convicted might have assuaged the mood a little.
As it is...well...I'd like to put in a few words about the NotW's apparent worship of profit over all else, but that would break the journo bashing ban, so I'll leave it here.
Journo slagging , i.e Pointless ranting abundant with F-words won't achieve anything but have these people think "Got a bite"
By all means feel free to criticise this decision to publish in this fashion , especially to use certain pictures which they must know are abhorrent to Muslims, and will almost certainly invite reprisals against our people.