Another subject Mods wont let us discuss/vote on.

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Having put a politely worded motion for a poll ref. Des Browne, it got pulled - WHY?

Where is the offence from:

"We, the members of the Army Rumour Service, have no confidence in the Rt Hon Des Browne MP as Secretary of State for Defence and consider his continuance as such to be detrimental to the moral of the Armed Forces. As such, The Rt Hon Des Browne MP, should vacate or be removed from his current office in the interest of the Armed Forces."

and from the questions:

"I agree with the motion and The Rt Hon Des Browne MP should resign or be dismissed by the Prime Minister"

and

"I do not agree with the motion and The Rt Hon Des Browne MP should not resign and not be dismissed by the Prime Minister"

So come on Mr Mod, explain yourself to the membership, how does this break site rules? How does this offend or insult anyone? What are you scared of?
 

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"Contrary to popular belief, the Army Rumour Service is not promoting the armed overthrow of HMG by the British Military, but simply aims to provide a useful, informative and amusing resource to all."

Probably that bit. Express your own personal views, but a revolution/coup is outside of this sites purposes.
 
#3
Neue Arbeit has its thumb somewhere here. Murmurs of dissent will be met with the retribution they deserve.

"England Prevails."
 
#4
Seems like an explanation is in order - no OPSEC/PERSEC issues, no laws broken, no site rules violated etc. Freedom of Speech???

What's the problem - explanation pse Mod?
 
#5
I can only guess that there are too many threads with similar themes like the odd thousand (slight exaggeration) about FT that was close to taking ARRSE over completely. Des Browne is now flavour of the month and the threads are taking on many but still very similar guises.

Mind you, I'm not God or PTP which is pretty much the same thing.
 
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Fugly said:
"Contrary to popular belief, the Army Rumour Service is not promoting the armed overthrow of HMG by the British Military, but simply aims to provide a useful, informative and amusing resource to all."

Probably that bit. Express your own personal views, but a revolution/coup is outside of this sites purposes.
So having no confidence in the bloke and wishing shot of him is equal to promoting the armed overthrow of HMG by the British military?

Silly me, I should have just written Des Browne, read this you cnut as a title so people could be insulting and disgustingly rude!

Well I'm better at insulting and being disgustingly rude, thanks for educating me mukka!
 

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#8
Was just a thought mate! Hell, i'm no Mod, i'd have let it stay personally (and voted to get the bufoon out!)
 
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mistersoft said:
I can only guess that there are too many threads with similar themes like the odd thousand (slight exaggeration) about FT that was close to taking ARRSE over completely. Des Browne is now flavour of the month and the threads are taking on many but still very similar guises.

Mind you, I'm not God or PTP which is pretty much the same thing.
True, but most of them lend themselves to rant and insult (nothing wrong with that, I'm a past master of spleen venting as you know) but this was a simple politely written poll, 37 views, 5 votes (all for getting shot of him!) and no comment or discussion!

I think some cnut just doesn't want this poll in the news on Monday!
 
#10
seanbean said:
Fair point MS - then why not say so.
I do agree and this has been a bone of contention for a while. While there has to be some editing of posts, threads etc, I for one would like to know why said post, thread etc has been pulled.

On a smaller, less significant site and as a Mod, I consider it only fair to let somebody know if something has to bite the dust.
 
#11
It was removed for the simple reason that you sought in your poll, whether by accident or design to imply that Arrse was behind the poll.

We, the members of the Army Rumour Service, have no confidence in the Rt Hon Des Browne

By all means submit a poll "Do you think Des Browne should be sacked"?

Just don't title it in such a way it appears this forum's staff/owners have made it policy to call for the Minister to be sacked.

On a sub-note, what does getting Swiss Des sacked actually achieve?
 
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mistersoft said:
seanbean said:
Fair point MS - then why not say so.
I do agree and this has been a bone of contention for a while. While there has to be some editing of posts, threads etc, I for one would like to know why said post, thread etc has been pulled.

On a smaller, less significant site and as a Mod, I consider it only fair to let somebody know if something has to bite the dust.
Well, they're a law unto themselves and never talk to us about why they do anything - like delete threads by spurned lovers etc.... not that I've even been with a Mod, but I've sh@gged a few rock chicks in my time :roll:
 
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PartTimePongo said:
It was removed for the simple reason that you sought in your poll, whether by accident or design to imply that Arrse was behind the poll.

We, the members of the Army Rumour Service, have no confidence in the Rt Hon Des Browne

By all means submit a poll "Do you think Des Browne should be sacked"?

Just don't title it in such a way it appears this forum's staff/owners have made it policy to call for the Minister to be sacked.
Cool! Point noted! Thanks :D
 
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How about:

"We, the members of the Army Rumour Service,except the owners & Princess Pongo, have no confidence in the Rt Hon Des Browne"
 
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FaceLikeAPingPongBall said:
mistersoft said:
seanbean said:
Fair point MS - then why not say so.
I do agree and this has been a bone of contention for a while. While there has to be some editing of posts, threads etc, I for one would like to know why said post, thread etc has been pulled.

On a smaller, less significant site and as a Mod, I consider it only fair to let somebody know if something has to bite the dust.
Well, they're a law unto themselves and never talk to us about why they do anything - like delete threads by spurned lovers etc.... not that I've even been with a Mod, but I've sh@gged a few rock chicks in my time :roll:
Each forums works differently and ARRSE is considerably larger than the one I Mod on. I suppose the sending of a PM in explanation could tie up a Mod's time too much.

Thanks for the explanation PTP.
 
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Understand and, indeed, fully support the mods decision in this case. However, silent killing of the thread smacks of authoritarian methods. Can we not have a board where mods can refer to stuff they have pulled and say why. Lock it to the rank and file if need be to stifle any argy bargy toing and froming arising. Dissent about modding is corrosive given the forthright attitude of most of us and the extended vocabulary most have.

If I knew how to cc this to Good and Bad CO, I'd do it.

Edited one time to ask - Has anything ever been achieved from any petition submitted or is the idea just another piece of NuLab bullsh*t
 
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FAO PartTimePongo. Getting Browne sacked might brace up the clowns that surround the idiot e.g. DNews and the like, who cannot run an media information operation if our lives depended on it; sorry what am I saying our lives do occasionally depend on MoD knowing what to say to the media.

I am not for insurrection or mutiny, but if the 'suits' never do the right thing then maybe Tommy gets to hold a mirror up to their lousy ethics. Listening to him drivel on to him about taking responsibility with constant reference to the Navy, made me nauseous. Trouble is if he took a Webley to the Billiard Room he would probably miss his head and ruin the plaster, fcuking incompetent t*at that he is.
 
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Each forums works differently and ARRSE is considerably larger than the one I Mod on. I suppose the sending of a PM in explanation could tie up a Mod's time too much.

Thanks for the explanation PTP.

At peak , it gets incredibly busy here. Arrse CA is probably the busiest Military-centric forum in the UK right now (Well except the Naafi)

It's that busy, popular and this good, because you the contributors make it so.

The sheer breadth and depth, experience and influence of posters taking part is a massive draw as we've seen in recent times.

We know ArrseCA is read , and indeed contributed to from the very top of the establishment and MoD , all the way down.

Someone on another thread commented that Arrse may now be the de-facto voxpop of the British Army. I'm not sure if we can take that accolade yet, but I'd like to think that it is.


The fact is , Arrse is now used according to some journalists I've spoken to, as a gauge of opinon on stories concerning the Armed Forces. I can't see that at this time, easing off.

Moderation on Arrse , I've discovered over the years, is a 3D science. You don't consider just the words on the screen in front of you, you have to consider their possible effect in the wider world, especially in matters as potentially serious as this.

You at all times when moderating, have to consider the reprucussions, not just for Arrse , but it's contributors, of a post no matter how well-intentioned it may be. Not everyone who reads or contributes to Arrse and Rum Ration supports what we do.

Arrse and RumRation have been quoted worldwide in the last few days, that may or may not continue , dependant on the press deciding to go after those behind the recent debacle.

As regards removal of posts , I do endeavour to inform people as to why , if I think they made a genuine faux pas. I certainly answer enquiries as to why a thread has been removed in most circumstances, and do try to do it as quickly as I can.

Sometimes that reply or explanation may be delayed , if I'm moving, editing or merging threads at the time.

PTP
 
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