Another small data loss by a Government Department ?

#1
Just seen this ..... linky ... and note it has yet to be confirmed but .... Hackers 'steal entire 2011 census' - Telegraph ... if true someone hopefully will be asked to leave their job ... doubt it of course ... and I have read of HMRC proposing more changes their systems so everyone can easily view their own Tax details ... hope it is not structured so anyone can view everyone's Tax details ... many a true word said in jest .
 
#2
Just seen this ..... linky ... and note it has yet to be confirmed but .... Hackers 'steal entire 2011 census' - Telegraph ... if true someone hopefully will be asked to leave their job ... doubt it of course ... and I have read of HMRC proposing more changes their systems so everyone can easily view their own Tax details ... hope it is not structured so anyone can view everyone's Tax details ... many a true word said in jest .
If its true there is a huge scandal about to break, after the most intrusive census ever, where assurances about the data were made publically. I believe Lockheed Martin are responsible for the security of the data.
 
#5
Still glad I didn't fill one in. The fact that every major newspaper in the country thought it believable is frightening in itself.
Not really, we're just used to our government fcuking up royally everytime they ahve to handle anything.
 
#6
We're also used to our Dailies not bothering their arrse to check their facts for themselves rather than cutting and pasting off the news wires or internet.
 

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#7
A hoax this time. I have long operated on the basis that all data on me and all key-strokes can come back to haunt me. Because they can have all the spooky Lockheed Martin protocols they want. It only takes Kev in admin / despatch to say "Nah. Cant be arsed with all that. Its me dinner in 10 minutes. I'll just stick it on an optical and courier it". As HMRC discovered in '07.
 
#8
Well as the OP I am …

1 Pleased to observe I specifically stated the report had yet to be confirmed .

2 Relieved to read the report is not correct .

3 As with smartascarrots a little more concerned about the skills of newspaper reporters .

Every day is a learning day .
 
#9
We're also used to our Dailies not bothering their arrse to check their facts for themselves rather than cutting and pasting off the news wires or internet.
You expect the red top rags to "never let the truth get in the way of a good story"! Looks like the broadsheets have joined them!
 
#10
It's probably been nicked by the Mormons, for some reason they used to look at old census records and enroll the dead into their church without reference to the families. Perhaps they've now moved on to the living.
 
#11
Although a hoax, it's frightening. We all know these muppets couldn't secure a piggy bank. What's even more scary is that this information was required under the threat of meanaces.

I found it very strange also that during a period of difficulties for UK companies, this contract was given to a US firm. Could BT (or similar) have not administered this?
 
#12
maybe we should go back to hugh cabinets full of paper records, can't see one of them being stolen.......Officers are searching for two masked men with****ed backs!!!
 
#13
Hugh getting the credit again? Last time I let him use a cabinet he royally****ed it up. ;-)
 

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#14
I found it very strange also that during a period of difficulties for UK companies, this contract was given to a US firm. Could BT (or similar) have not administered this?
It gets murkier…

An early day motion from Labour MP Roger Godsiff… (my bold)

That this House notes with concern reports of the involvement of Lockheed Martin, a major US arms manufacturer, in gathering information for the 2011 Census; questions whether a company with the closest of commercial links to the US Department of Defense and involved in surveillance and data processing for a number of US administration agencies, including the Central Intelligence Agency and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, should have been allowed to tender for this contract and given the ultimate responsibility for processing this personal and sensitive national data about the UK’s population; further notes that the Office for National Statistics claims that data will be safe even though all US companies are subject to the Patriot Act which allows the US administration to access any data in a company’s possession; further notes the recent abysmal record of the Government in safeguarding personal data from a number of key departments; and calls on the Government to make public what safeguards are in place and to make a categorical assertion that this data, when it undergoes analysis, will not be passed through any US administration and non-administration databases now or at any stage in the future.
 
#15
It gets murkier…

An early day motion from Labour MP Roger Godsiff… (my bold)

That this House notes with concern reports of the involvement of Lockheed Martin, a major US arms manufacturer, in gathering information for the 2011 Census; questions whether a company with the closest of commercial links to the US Department of Defense and involved in surveillance and data processing for a number of US administration agencies, including the Central Intelligence Agency and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, should have been allowed to tender for this contract and given the ultimate responsibility for processing this personal and sensitive national data about the UK’s population; further notes that the Office for National Statistics claims that data will be safe even though all US companies are subject to the Patriot Act which allows the US administration to access any data in a company’s possession; further notes the recent abysmal record of the Government in safeguarding personal data from a number of key departments; and calls on the Government to make public what safeguards are in place and to make a categorical assertion that this data, when it undergoes analysis, will not be passed through any US administration and non-administration databases now or at any stage in the future.
The Patriot Act was one of the reasons I refused to complete my form. It was a very easy was to provide the US Government with all of the information that they wanted. The public crow about their personal information being stored by Airlines when travelling across the Atlantic and Europe, if they understood the magnitude of the stunt the Labour Party pulled off with the Census, there would be murder........ wait, actually they'd just carry on watching Jeremy Kyle.
 

seaweed

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#16
1. The papers are in competition with each other racing to 'get the story out' so there never is any time to check facts.

2. By the time any correction is posted everyone has forgotten what the fuss was about anyway so there is no penalty for printing tripe

3. Journos are generalists and as soon as the key to a story is in any way specialist and technical their clay feet are on parade. Particularly true of defence and very particularly of anything to do with the RN which almost none of them understand at all. (Long ago one of my shipmates knew the defence correspondent of the D Telegraph who used to bounce things off him - but that happened less when we were thousands of miles away!)
 
#17
The Patriot Act was one of the reasons I refused to complete my form. It was a very easy was to provide the US Government with all of the information that they wanted. The public crow about their personal information being stored by Airlines when travelling across the Atlantic and Europe, if they understood the magnitude of the stunt the Labour Party pulled off with the Census, there would be murder........ wait, actually they'd just carry on watching Jeremy Kyle.
A simple Google search reveals that the Patriot Act cannot be applied in this case - Factcheck: Census 2011: Will data be kept under Lockheed and key? | Full Fact (although it suggests other legislation may lead to census data being shared).

There's plenty of other projects where multi-national companies hold sensitive personal data about UK nationals on behalf of the UK government. Some of them have operated in the UK for decades and have substantial UK workforces. In fact, I would suggest that many of these companies have larger UK workforces and keep more of their work "in house" than so called British companies. Drawing from experience, I would also suggest the size of these companies result in UK only operations where the 'foreign' parent is aware that a contract has been signed with the UK government and the financial aspects involved, but that is it.

As an aside, I hope you and DataDog have £1000 to spare - Households that do not respond - 2011 Census
 
#18
Well as the OP I am …

1 Pleased to observe I specifically stated the report had yet to be confirmed .

2 Relieved to read the report is not correct .

3 As with smartascarrots a little more concerned about the skills of newspaper reporters .

Every day is a learning day .
What I find interesting is that Lockheed Martin are as yet unable to determine whether their data bases have been hacked or not.

Lockheed Martin are also bidding to provide long-term air traffic management for the Ministry of Defence at "main bases, airfields and air weapon ranges in the UK and overseas, including those used for deployed operations". Lets hope they aren't sharing laptops.

News | Lockheed Martin UK
 
#20
What I find interesting is that Lockheed Martin are as yet unable to determine whether their data bases have been hacked or not.
It's very difficult to know whether your data has been stolen, as a good hacker will leave very little trace - probably making use of a security loophole that you've not yet figured out.
 

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