Another reason why the death penalty should be restored

Ex_crab

Old-Salt
Isn't all this speed irrelevant if the hangee is going to spend the next three minutes suffocating as he dangles and wets his pants? Surely a bullet in the back of the head is more humane?
There was a table of drops, up to a maximum of 8'6" and the drop was proportional to the weight of the prisoner. The noose was positioned under the left jaw point tightening towards the chin. This threw the head back causing an instant break.
 
Pierrepoint was also busted for watering down spirits he sold in his pub, which suggests to me that he was a cunning sod with a flexible attitude to the truth.
 
There was a table of drops, up to a maximum of 8'6" and the drop was proportional to the weight of the prisoner. The noose was positioned under the left jaw point tightening towards the chin. This threw the head back causing an instant break.
The fracture of the C2-C3 vertebrae are usually the outcome of long drop judicial hangings using the Home Office table of drops, and a suspension point about 1 inch in front of the angle of the left lower jaw. But death was not instantaneous after the drop, as is described here by an official report of the execution of war criminals performed by Albert Pierrepoint

“On the 8th of March 1946 Albert Pierrepoint hanged eight men at Hameln and it was decided not to inject chloroform. The prison doctor listened to their hearts with a stethoscope in the normal way and recorded his results. These showed that it took between 10 and 15 minutes for audible heart beats to cease. On the 15th of May 1946 a further ten executions were carried out and this time the condemned were wired up to an electrocardiograph, which recorded the electrical activity of the heart. It showed that impulses were produced for a further ten minutes; taking the total time to 25 minutes. A human heart has a sinoatrial node which is located in the upper wall of the right atrium. This is also referred to as the heart’s pacemaker and its contractions generate nerve impulses that travel throughout the heart wall causing both atria to contract. There are other auto-rhythmic nodes that also effect heart rate.”
 

Ex_crab

Old-Salt
The fracture of the C2-C3 vertebrae are usually the outcome of long drop judicial hangings using the Home Office table of drops, and a suspension point about 1 inch in front of the angle of the left lower jaw. But death was not instantaneous after the drop, as is described here by an official report of the execution of war criminals performed by Albert Pierrepoint

“On the 8th of March 1946 Albert Pierrepoint hanged eight men at Hameln and it was decided not to inject chloroform. The prison doctor listened to their hearts with a stethoscope in the normal way and recorded his results. These showed that it took between 10 and 15 minutes for audible heart beats to cease. On the 15th of May 1946 a further ten executions were carried out and this time the condemned were wired up to an electrocardiograph, which recorded the electrical activity of the heart. It showed that impulses were produced for a further ten minutes; taking the total time to 25 minutes. A human heart has a sinoatrial node which is located in the upper wall of the right atrium. This is also referred to as the heart’s pacemaker and its contractions generate nerve impulses that travel throughout the heart wall causing both atria to contract. There are other auto-rhythmic nodes that also effect heart rate.”
Quite true, but they were deeply unconscious and that is why the Home Office regs. required the body to be left hanging for 1 hour before being taken down and an autopsy carried out. There were so many executions to carry out at Hameln, 13 the first day, that they initially used the chloroform to "make sure" and they were taken down after 20 - 30 mins.
 
IMMIC, there was a women found guilty of shaking her baby to death, it was found later that
one of the expert witnesses was talking through his arse hole, if we had still got the death penalty
she would have been topped, as much as I would like to see some of these scrotes hung
it will never happen, if they a struck to what was said when hanging was abolished
that "life would mean life" but they didn't.
People [I use that word loosely] have been released after killing someone and gone on to kill again,
The system is f*cked
Professor Sir Roy Meadow was brilliant at this. Women found guilty of murdering their children because he would give odds of a their being innocent of one in 73 million when he was totally unqualified in statistics, didn't consider environmental factors and the defence lawyers not having the wit to question where he got his figures from. In that case (Sally Clark, but there were others) the Royal Statistical Society stated that the chances of the mother being innocent were 3 in 4.
 

anglo

LE
Professor Sir Roy Meadow was brilliant at this. Women found guilty of murdering their children because he would give odds of a their being innocent of one in 73 million when he was totally unqualified in statistics, didn't consider environmental factors and the defence lawyers not having the wit to question where he got his figures from. In that case (Sally Clark, but there were others) the Royal Statistical Society stated that the chances of the mother being innocent were 3 in 4.
That's the women I was thinking of. and the arse hole, thanks for that.
 

diverman

LE
Book Reviewer
The fracture of the C2-C3 vertebrae are usually the outcome of long drop judicial hangings using the Home Office table of drops, and a suspension point about 1 inch in front of the angle of the left lower jaw. But death was not instantaneous after the drop, as is described here by an official report of the execution of war criminals performed by Albert Pierrepoint

“On the 8th of March 1946 Albert Pierrepoint hanged eight men at Hameln and it was decided not to inject chloroform. The prison doctor listened to their hearts with a stethoscope in the normal way and recorded his results. These showed that it took between 10 and 15 minutes for audible heart beats to cease. On the 15th of May 1946 a further ten executions were carried out and this time the condemned were wired up to an electrocardiograph, which recorded the electrical activity of the heart. It showed that impulses were produced for a further ten minutes; taking the total time to 25 minutes. A human heart has a sinoatrial node which is located in the upper wall of the right atrium. This is also referred to as the heart’s pacemaker and its contractions generate nerve impulses that travel throughout the heart wall causing both atria to contract. There are other auto-rhythmic nodes that also effect heart rate.”
The rhythm you describe is what we define as Pulseless Electrical Activity, in other words there is a rhythm on n ECG but no actual cardiac contractions (Look atthe Resuscitation Council guidelines). The heart has inherant rhythmcity so provided with glucose and oxygen a heart will potentially beat until these are consumed. In hanging the brain stem is destroyed therefore there is no nervous system control of the heart via the sympathetic and para sympathetic systems.
 
There was a table of drops, up to a maximum of 8'6" and the drop was proportional to the weight of the prisoner. The noose was positioned under the left jaw point tightening towards the chin. This threw the head back causing an instant break.
Despite this belief the drop broke the wrong vertebrae to cause instant death and it was arterial shock that killed most hanged criminals.
 
Cop Killers/Child Rapists/Animal cruelty & Granny Bashers once found guilty hanging within 72 hours of being found guilty. This would lower crime rates/prison population and be a win win situation for crime.
Current Home Secretary keen as will the population when crime is lowered.

Perhaps at a later time can include shop lifters/drug users/car speeders & anti social behavior.
This is a vote winner .
 

Serpico

Old-Salt
Cop Killers/Child Rapists/Animal cruelty & Granny Bashers once found guilty hanging within 72 hours of being found guilty. This would lower crime rates/prison population and be a win win situation for crime.
Current Home Secretary keen as will the population when crime is lowered.

Perhaps at a later time can include shop lifters/drug users/car speeders & anti social behavior.
This is a vote winner .
In Nazi Germany perhaps. If you genuinely believe the government should have the right to end someones life because they break the speed limit or smoke a joint, you are a deeply disturbed individual who is entirely divorced from reality and I feel sorry for you.
 
That’s what the left use as proof it doesn’t work whereas I disagree, there’s a 0% reoffending rate from it and it costs a lot less than 30 years in jail for such scum bags as them who killed Lee Rigby, Levi Bellfield, Ian Huntley and the Bulger killers.
The Bulger killers were kids. You'd execute 10 year old kids?

Your on the wrong forum, pal. Islamic State is www.camelshaggers.com
 
Yep. IF it is done right, withn weights/drops etc.
(Thanks to a Mr Marwood, who did the calculations)
Earlier in the thread it explains how the spetics never quite got it right, hence the Pierrepoints doing a lot of their noosing.
A good movie, though a tad disturbing, is Shepherds and Butchers, with Steve Coogan.
Has a lot to do with the Saffers stringing blokes up mob-handed, back in the Apartheid days.
The execution scenes in that film are disgusting and very disturbing.

I think something that gets forgotten in the death penalty argument is the effect it has on those who have to carry it out.
 
The execution scenes in that film are disgusting and very disturbing.

I think something that gets forgotten in the death penalty argument is the effect it has on those who have to carry it out.
Yes indeed they are.
Hence the lunacy from the young lad.
Somebody I know was in the Prison Service at the time the movie was set (late 80s), though not at Pretoria Central, where the hangings took place.
He says it ties in very much with stuff he'd heard from other chaps who had 'worked' there, as well as the pretty brutal training he'd received before heading to his first posting .
A nasty slice of history.
 
In his book he states that he would never tell anyone what Ruth Ellis's last words were, yet later he states that she said nothing. He asked to be removed from the list following an argument about money, but I suspect he saw the way the wind was blowing about capital punishment and wanted to cash in. Wiki states that he was offered £30-40k (I heard £10,000, which in 1956 would be much more realistic) for a series of weekly newspaper articles. However following the risk of prosecution under the Official Secrets Act, and the written articles being contradictory to other eyewitnesses, it never happened and the money never materialised. He is credited with coming out against capital punishment in later life (I know that photographer Terry Fincher mentions this in his autobiography - he photographed Pierrepoint in black and next to a "hanging tree" in 1969), but he was somewhat contradictory in his views at times and I wonder if he just said what people wanted him to hear.
Add a ghost writer to the mix and you have to wonder how true to reality the book was.
Apart from the German spy he talks of fighting for his life, all his executions seemed to have gone off very smoothly but I doubt that they were always like that.
I wonder if the one below, not by Albert but another of the Pierrepoint clan, was a one-off.

Western Mail Thursday 05 February 1931
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Ex_crab

Old-Salt
Add a ghost writer to the mix and you have to wonder how true to reality the book was.
Apart from the German spy he talks of fighting for his life, all his executions seemed to have gone off very smoothly but I doubt that they were always like that.
I wonder if the one below, not by Albert but another of the Pierrepoint clan, was a one-off.

Western Mail Thursday 05 February 1931
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A.P. first appeared on the Home Office list in 1932 so it could have been his uncle Tom who carried out this one. There was another chap working in 1931, named Baxter, but he worked in the South of the country. On one of his executions he was a bit too keen to push the lever. His assistant hadn't finished strapping the prisoners legs and he disappeared through the trap along with the victim.

There was an assistant executioner named Sid Dearnley who often assisted A.P. I have his book and he concurs with A.P. that things went smoothly. The prison officers that escorted the prisoner from the condemned call to the drop were usually brought in from another prison and were usually big lads. The prisoner's hands were strapped in the condemned cell before the short walk to the gallows so even if he had to be dragged it would have happened quickly. In every execution room there was also a plank with straps attached, in the event of a prisoner not being able to stand or making things awkward, he could be strapped to the plank and hanged whilst strapped.
 
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exspy

LE
On one of his executions he was a bit too keen to push the lever. His assistant hadn't finished strapping the prisoners legs and he disappeared through the trap along with the victim.
I know I shouldn't have laughed at this, but...
 

auxie

War Hero
He got 30, but if he keeps his head down he could be out after 15, or even less. Jails are full, they need the space for the next murderer.
He has received a minimum tariff of thirty years which i believe has been reduced to 27 years on appeal
Therefore keeping his head down won’t do him a lot of good as he must serve the minimum tariff before being considered for parole

Certainly deserves to drop through the trapdoor IMO .
 

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