Another MP with hand in the till

#1
Yet again, an MP using allowances illegally. This time to subsidise his kid through university.

Just for balance, this time it is a Conservative. He had to apologise to the Commons and will be banned for 10 days. Perhaps he should be made to apologise the British public, whose taxes he was handing over to his son.

I really do think that it is time a party leader made an example of this sort of thieving git. Anyone else in public service caught with his hand in the till would be sacked - it is about time it happened to an MP
 
#2
If we ran our lives in the same way that these elected twats run theirs...we would all be jailed. As they say on the advert, `No if`s, no but`s.` We would be canned.

These bastards think (and it mostly works) that a grovelling apology, an inane `I`ve let everybody down` speech and that`s it..forgotten about.

I try to explain to a cynical Mrs Rock and the two lads of mine, the importance of voting and democracy! How the fukc can I make any statement that they will take seriously when time and time again, these cnuts let us and the sysytem down?

And breathe............
 
#3
i think we can safely assume they all have there hand in the till, until the slip up and get caught fuggin ******$
 
#5
This is leading the country by example....he should team up with the Prime Minster of Hungary....both of the same ilk...but I digress. One wonders if they've heard of Corporate Governance.....and another reason why I left those shores that I so loved many years ago.
 
#6
I see Glasgow Mick's wife wqs also getting paid for doing nothing and no doubt lots of MPs of all aprties are doing it. I think the answer would be for all researchers and assistants to b eemployed as civil servants by a central department and no MP allowed to employ members of his/her family. Failing that if (or more likely when ) an MP is found guilty tyey should be sacked as MPs not demoted by their own party for a couple of weelks. I don't suppose for one moment that him being banned from parliament fro a few days will result in any loss of pay.
 
#7
Do You honestly think it doesn't go on in corporate life. You just ask any auditor and they will tell You some stories that sound very similar.

as a matter of fact, I seem to recall that as a Nig I heard whispers of several SNCOs claiming travel allowance to an address in Scotland that turned out to be non existant. Oh, and a red tabbed officer who got His driver to drive back to England with a trailerful of, I believe, vintage port.

Politicians, like the forces, reflect what is happening in the big bad world.
 

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#8
Sven said:
Do You honestly think it doesn't go on in corporate life. You just ask any auditor and they will tell You some stories that sound very similar.

as a matter of fact, I seem to recall that as a Nig I heard whispers of several SNCOs claiming travel allowance to an address in Scotland that turned out to be non existant. Oh, and a red tabbed officer who got His driver to drive back to England with a trailerful of, I believe, vintage port.

Politicians, like the forces, reflect what is happening in the big bad world.
Sven, please tell me you aren't seriously trying to justify these actions.

"It's ok Mr Prime Minister, the scruffy oiks in the real world do it, so we can as well. I've been a bad boy, I'll apologise and crack on with my work - sort of. Meanwhile, can we have permission to prosecute anyone NOT a politician to the full limit of the law? Cheers, Gordy"

You amaze me, for all the wrong reasons.
 
#9
Sven said:
Do You honestly think it doesn't go on in corporate life. You just ask any auditor and they will tell You some stories that sound very similar.

as a matter of fact, I seem to recall that as a Nig I heard whispers of several SNCOs claiming travel allowance to an address in Scotland that turned out to be non existant. Oh, and a red tabbed officer who got His driver to drive back to England with a trailerful of, I believe, vintage port.

Politicians, like the forces, reflect what is happening in the big bad world.
Dude, in corporate life this will be considered a very serious offence. Nepotism is one thing, but if a salaried director/partner paid his 19 year old son 11k a year to do nothing then had the cheek the claim bonuses iun excess of 10K, there would be a lot of explaining to do.
 
#10
On the other hand, a lot of MPs wives do a lot of admin type work behind the scenes and I for one have no objection to them getting paid for doing an honest day's work.

In this case, I hope that he's made an honest mistake, otherwise fraud is fraud.

PB
 
#11
when some chap says follow me over the edge of a cliff "i want to make sure hes not actually standing behind me!!"
 
#12
Sven said:
Do You honestly think it doesn't go on in corporate life. You just ask any auditor and they will tell You some stories that sound very similar.

as a matter of fact, I seem to recall that as a Nig I heard whispers of several SNCOs claiming travel allowance to an address in Scotland that turned out to be non existant. Oh, and a red tabbed officer who got His driver to drive back to England with a trailerful of, I believe, vintage port.

Politicians, like the forces, reflect what is happening in the big bad world.
Then they should all be punished. :x
Sack the bl00dy lot of them and prosecute for theft.
 

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#13
That's it Sven. Get your excuses in early.

The difference is, of course, that in corporate life there are auditors and watchdogs. It's called accountability.

This came to light from a leak and a newspaper report.


For several years now, the Parliamentary authorities have been blocking access under Freedom of Information laws to full details of MPs employees. Why? What have MPs got to hide? This information is clearly in the public interest and should be released immediately.
This was fingers in the till without checks and balances. End of.
 
#14
Sven said:
Do You honestly think it doesn't go on in corporate life. You just ask any auditor and they will tell You some stories that sound very similar.

as a matter of fact, I seem to recall that as a Nig I heard whispers of several SNCOs claiming travel allowance to an address in Scotland that turned out to be non existant. Oh, and a red tabbed officer who got His driver to drive back to England with a trailerful of, I believe, vintage port.

Politicians, like the forces, reflect what is happening in the big bad world.
Had the individuals you mention been caught, then would an apology from them and a short suspension from work (on full pay and allowances) been their punishment?
 
#15
PassingBells said:
On the other hand, a lot of MPs wives do a lot of admin type work behind the scenes and I for one have no objection to them getting paid for doing an honest day's work.

In this case, I hope that he's made an honest mistake, otherwise fraud is fraud.

PB
I understand where you are coming from, but, these feckers should be beyond repraoch, and be seen to be squeeky clean.

They should not be allowed to employ familly members. If an MP employs his wife/husband as a researcher or secretary, they are not exactly going to sack them, if they fail to turn up, or spend and extra hour for lunch shopping everyday.

There are employment rules regulating 'nepotism' in every other employment genre, it seems however not if your seat lies in Westminster.

Effectively they are sidelining their parliamentary administrative budget, to go straight into their bank account, via the tax man.
 
#16
Wholly indefensible! Another word would be theft.

Not interested in the 'party' the person belongs to - theft is theft, whether the perpetrator is a duke or a docker.

BBC milking it of course!!
 
#17
FC's contract of employment provided for him to work for seventeen hours a week. He had originally been employed on a salary of £10,000 per annum, subsequently increased to £11,773 per annum, backdated to the start of his employment. His basic salary, equivalent to a full-time rate of £25,970 per annum, had remained at that level throughout his employment, and was within the pay range set by DFA for the relevant grade. FC had also received, on his father's instruction, four one-off sums, namely, £2000 in September 2005, £5000 in May 2006, £1300 in January 2007 and £1765.94 in May 2007. Mr Conway told the Commissioner that these sums had all been intended in lieu of annual salary uprating and as bonuses for work satisfactorily done.
Bloody hell.

A spotty 19 year old with no qualifications being paid 11k a year for 17 hours work a week (of which there is little evidence) - equivalent to a full time rate of £25,970.

And then he had the gall to pay the kid bonuses.

While the kid was at university!

:x

There are people working full time struggling to hit 11k a year. And they actually have to show up for work 5 days a week!.
 
#18
Derek Conway MP.

Possibly Derek Conway MP does as Sven points out reflect a wider "falling of standards" - but imagine for a second, if Derek Conway was employed by a commercial organisation, and carried out the same nepotistic move - and being a chod, got caught.

What action / punishment would a civilian organisation undertake?

For a former Whip, he sure isn't a shining example for the Conservative Party, I imagine his only supporters in the house at the moment must be Messrs' Hain and Johnson. Funny old world British Politics.
 
#19
Fugly said:
Sven said:
Do You honestly think it doesn't go on in corporate life. You just ask any auditor and they will tell You some stories that sound very similar.

as a matter of fact, I seem to recall that as a Nig I heard whispers of several SNCOs claiming travel allowance to an address in Scotland that turned out to be non existant. Oh, and a red tabbed officer who got His driver to drive back to England with a trailerful of, I believe, vintage port.

Politicians, like the forces, reflect what is happening in the big bad world.
Sven, please tell me you aren't seriously trying to justify these actions.

"It's ok Mr Prime Minister, the scruffy oiks in the real world do it, so we can as well. I've been a bad boy, I'll apologise and crack on with my work - sort of. Meanwhile, can we have permission to prosecute anyone NOT a politician to the full limit of the law? Cheers, Gordy"

You amaze me, for all the wrong reasons.
Don't be so silly.

Understanding that fraud takes place in the wider world is not to condone the actions of Derek Conway, or any other MP culpable of misdeeds. Personally, for something as serious as this I think the MP should be asked to do the honourable thing, if they don't then they should have the whip taken from them, kicked out of the party and de-selected at the next election.

this goes for MPs of whatever hue
 
#20
Sixty said:
That's it Sven. Get your excuses in early.

The difference is, of course, that in corporate life there are auditors and watchdogs. It's called accountability.

This came to light from a leak and a newspaper report.


For several years now, the Parliamentary authorities have been blocking access under Freedom of Information laws to full details of MPs employees. Why? What have MPs got to hide? This information is clearly in the public interest and should be released immediately.
This was fingers in the till without checks and balances. End of.
If there are no checks and balances - how did He get caught? :roll:



As to my making excuses - see my post before this one.
 

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