Shamelessly plagiarizing Skunkmeister's thread title, I thought the following article was interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-21535055 - Top (UK) maths pupils 'fail to keep up with world's best'. Hmmm .... "pushed as they would be if they attended grammar schools". /images/smilies/icon_scratch.gif I wonder if that might be achieved by actually making them attend grammar schools? A radical notion, I know, but it seemed to work in my day and still, judging by the comment, seems to work now. Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got to go sit down and take a whiff of oxygen before the shock gets to me.