Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by AndyPipkin, Mar 6, 2007.
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Being a critic of the Russian Government is clearly even more depressing than being a trainee at Deepcut.
Should have got a nice safe job.
Something to do with WMD perhaps.
Never heard about the journalist before his tragic death. Btw, he was a retired colonel and served in strategic nuclear missile forces. My brother lt.-colonel is serving here now.
I am assured by one who has professional knowledge on these matters that the 5th floor is debateable on produceing a gaurenteed fatality. 6th floor and landing on concreate is recommended minimum.
John, condo on 8th floor now planning small bungalow purchase.
Safronov had a scoop last year about the failure of Bulava ballistic missile tests. He was also preparing a report on Russian arms sales to the Middle East
"Suddenly we heard a thud, like snow falling off the rooftop. It was almost empty in the courtyard, and we immediately noticed a man lying directly in front of the canopy over the second entranceway to building No 9. He was lying on his stomach, and it seemed to us that he tried to get up, but couldn't." Noticing the open window on the stairway between the fourth and fifth floors and the fact that the man's shoes had come off and his jacket and sweater were pulled up to his armpits, the girls called an ambulance. Their call was not accepted, however. "We cannot collect all the drunks in Moscow on Friday night," they were told, along with the advice to call back in half an hour if he was still there. He did not go away. On the contrary, he stopped moving altogether.
So he lived in Russia, was a journalist and used to be a vocal critic of the government?
A mental case, no doubt.
I'm just wondering if he might have been another victim of Reles' syndrome, first diagnosed in 1941.
Probably unrelated, but now two American women come down with thallium poisoning.
Putin's Russia is getting curioser and curioser.
Also recently two Russian women were killed in Tailand.
Department V still exists!
Be careful Sergei, no one is safe!
Critic of the K.G.B. Is Shot and Wounded Outside His Home
WASHINGTON, March 3 â A few hours after meeting a former K.G.B. general outside a spy museum here, an outspoken critic of the Kremlin became engulfed in the kind of intrigue he studies when he was shot Thursday outside his suburban Maryland home.
The shooting occurred four days after the critic, Paul M. Joyal, warned on âDateline NBC,â the television news magazine, that a âmessage has been communicated to anyone who wants to speak out against the Kremlin: âIf you do, no matter who you are, where you are, we will find you and we will silence you in the most horrible way possible.â Mr. Joyal was speaking about the poisoning of Alexander V. Litvinenko, a K.G.B. defector, who was poisoned last fall in London....
May I continue your quote Virgil
I was already under the impression that actually being a critic of the Russian Government was committing suicide.
Ask yourself, how have you get this impression? The only source of information about the situation in Russia for you is Western mass-media. Haven't you the impression that you are being manipulated?
Here are two BBC articles. Both are about the same event. One in English and another one in Russian.
You would not find this in the English version
Indeed the died journalist never wrote about Chechnya, about Russian political parties, elections. He was merely a military expert and wrote on related subjects.
But why BBC have quoted the deputy editor in Russian variant of the articled and haven't done it in the English version?
The answer is a simple one - to create 'right' impressions, more right to implement them.
In Russian variant BBC had to quote the deputy editor because Russian readers are well aware about the interview from TV.
By contrast a typical Western consumer of informational 'goods' forms own opinions directly from Western mass-media and is voided (with rare exceptions) any alternative.
Why then is the same man quoted in his own newspaper as follows?
...Kommersant deputy editor-in-chief Bulavinov noted that Safronov's death may have been violent and related to his professional activities. âWe cannot exclude that possibility, even though there is no direct evidence,â he said. The newspaper is aware of only one sensitive topic that Safronov was working on. Safronov stated that he would check information that he had received on possible new deliveries of Russian weapons to the Middle East while at the IDEX 2007 arms exhibition in the United Arab Emirates. That exhibition opened February 17. Safronov was interested in the sale of Su-30 fighter jets to Syria and S-300V missiles to Iran. He had information that those deals would be concluded through Belarus, in order for Moscow to avoid accusations in the West of selling weapons to pariah states. Safronov called the editorial office from Abu Dhabi to say that he had found confirmation of his facts...
So, it may not be "politics" in the pure sense, but perhaps arms exports by state companies or his less than enthusiastic reporting about the shiny new Bulava missiles....
As for two BBC departments being able to conspire to produce two deliberately different angles on a story, you are giving them far too much credit.
P.S. Sergey. you aren't one of this lot are you?
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