Another child struck on head by air gun pellet

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A six-year-old child has been shot in the head by an airgun in Edinburgh.

Tyler Scott was playing with his friends in the Muirhouse area at about 1600 BST on Wednesday when he felt a sharp pain in his head.

An x-ray revealed a single air gun pellet was lodged in his head. He is to undergo surgery but the injury is not life-threatening.

There have been calls to ban airguns after a two-year-old boy was fatally injured in Glasgow last month.

Detective Inspector John McMonagle, of Lothian and Borders Police, said: "This was an extremely serious incident which could have had far more tragic consequences."


"I don't see why anybody needs to have an airgun, certainly in an urban environment"
Margaret Smith, Edinburgh West MSP

The incident comes a month after the death of toddler Andrew Morton in Glasgow prompted calls for legislation on airguns to be tightened.
Another nail in the coffin for air guns or just more proof that they need to be licensed?

Boy hit by air gun pellet
 
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Who, honestly, needs an air gun? WTF is an air gun good for?

If pubescent boys want a penis extension, they should go and buy themselves a dildo at Anne Summers.
 
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cheesypoptart said:
Who, honestly, needs an air gun? WTF is an air gun good for?

If pubescent boys want a penis extension, they should go and buy themselves a dildo at Anne Summers.
Er, shooting things. Such as (in my experience):

Action men.
Six Million Dollar Man Action Figure (through the 'bionic' eye).
Airfix Models.
Slugs
My brother.
Any bird within range.

Great stuff.
 
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CrapSpy said:
cheesypoptart said:
Who, honestly, needs an air gun? WTF is an air gun good for?

If pubescent boys want a penis extension, they should go and buy themselves a dildo at Anne Summers.
Er, shooting things. Such as (in my experience):

Action men.
Six Million Dollar Man Action Figure (through the 'bionic' eye).
Airfix Models.
Slugs
My brother.
Any bird within range.

Great stuff.
oh yes, used to hang Airfix planes from trees, bit of wind, great fun.
 

ugly

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cheesypoptart said:
Who, honestly, needs an air gun? WTF is an air gun good for?

If pubescent boys want a penis extension, they should go and buy themselves a dildo at Anne Summers.
Because without learning to shoot as boys most will become complete muppets later! A safely taught and responsibly supervised youth can learn a lot about discipline and perserverence from weapons and the easiest and cheapest marksmanship tool is the air pistol. Ban criminals!
 
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Indeed my Dad taught me from an early age to handle Knives and airguns, encouraged me to go to scouts to use fires and axes sensibly so that when I grew up they wouldn't have morbid fascination.

Indeed when all the other kids at school were facinated by knives and fires I wasn't. All was going well until....

I joined the Army where we have REALLY big guns and get to do COOL STUFF like blow things up KA-BOOM.

Thanks Dad.
 
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cheesypoptart said:
Who, honestly, needs an air gun? WTF is an air gun good for?

If pubescent boys want a penis extension, they should go and buy themselves a dildo at Anne Summers.
Well, I use mine to shoot vermin...pigeons, squirrels, crows and Sun journos mostly. My airgun that is, not my penis extension...
 
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Muirhouse in Edinburgh. Says it all, really. If you nuked the place, crime in Edinburgh would fall by 99%, the IQ average would double and health statistics would take on an Olympian glow...even taking into account the fallout!
 
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Another nail in the coffin for air guns or just more proof that they need to be licensed?
err, licencing won't do a damned thing to stop things like this, nor will a prohibition. See: Firearms acts 1920, 1968, 1988 & 1997. Oh, and the less than 10% compliance with the self-contained-air-cartridge-gun ban. What good's a law when only the law-abiding 10% abide by it? You know, discharging an airgun at someone is already illegal ("discharging a firearm with intent to cause injury" or "...to endanger life"). This is no "proof" that they "need" to be licenced.

As for why people need them, how's about sport? The Olympics have air pistol & several air rifle disciplines.

Gah! I can imagine that Neue Arbeit will try to make political capital over this though....
 
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Ah yes Muirhouse, fond memories of the British Telecom College there. The training poles were right opposite the multi-story ghettos and it was siht trying to find a fault on the line whilst keeping balance on the pole and avoiding the slugs which whizzed past your ears. Fluoresent jackets made for big targets!!
 
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stoatman said:
Another nail in the coffin for air guns or just more proof that they need to be licensed?
err, licencing won't do a damned thing to stop things like this, nor will a prohibition. See: Firearms acts 1920, 1968, 1988 & 1997. Oh, and the less than 10% compliance with the self-contained-air-cartridge-gun ban. What good's a law when only the law-abiding 10% abide by it? You know, discharging an airgun at someone is already illegal ("discharging a firearm with intent to cause injury" or "...to endanger life"). This is no "proof" that they "need" to be licenced.

As for why people need them, how's about sport? The Olympics have air pistol & several air rifle disciplines.

Gah! I can imagine that Neue Arbeit will try to make political capital over this though....
Would it not be wise to license them though, so that anyone who owned one would have to show competence and the relevant level of inteligence to use them safely? Also, i would increase the minimum age of ownership/purchasing to 18 in order to stop all the little neds getting them. If their parents want them to have one and teach them to use it, then they can buy it and be responsible for its use.

If licensing wont work, how would you cut down on the rate of offending in these cases (other than use the current laws, which the police and public seem to forget about! :? )?

A_S
 

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You have it there, licensing will not work, and scrotes will always prevail causing legitimate sportspeople to suffer because the Plod have neither the time nor resources to deal with them even if they had the inclination. Imagine the cost in registering all those old air pistols! Those jobsworths at the NRA rubbing their hands at the thought of money making licensing courses! Laws dont stop criminals policeman do all a new law does is criminalise use.
 
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Agent_Smith said:
If licensing wont work, how would you cut down on the rate of offending in these cases (other than use the current laws, which the police and public seem to forget about! :? )?

A_S
Gas chambers? Seriously though, the inevitable result of introducing any kind of licensing scheme for air weapons will be the same as for any other type of weapon: only the law-abiding will bother to obtain the licence. Criminals don't bother with Firearms licences because most Police Forces don't accept 'post office stick ups' or 'assassinating rival gang members' as legitimate justification for ownership. Likewise, they won't accept 'sniping at small children' as a good reason for owning an air gun. But introducing licences won't get rid of the airguns themselves, nor will it deal with the problem of people who want to use them illegally: they will just carry on as before.
 
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chickenpunk said:
Agent_Smith said:
If licensing wont work, how would you cut down on the rate of offending in these cases (other than use the current laws, which the police and public seem to forget about! :? )?

A_S
Gas chambers? Seriously though, the inevitable result of introducing any kind of licensing scheme for air weapons will be the same as for any other type of weapon: only the law-abiding will bother to obtain the licence. Criminals don't bother with Firearms licences because most Police Forces don't accept 'post office stick ups' or 'assassinating rival gang members' as legitimate justification for ownership. Likewise, they won't accept 'sniping at small children' as a good reason for owning an air gun. But introducing licences won't get rid of the airguns themselves, nor will it deal with the problem of people who want to use them illegally: they will just carry on as before.
Ok, see your point.

Maybe we should just increase the severity of sentencing for abuse of air guns? Longer sentences, larger fines etc?
 
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I think we are missing the point here slightly - wtf are the parents who should be surpervising this?

No doubt they are down the pub spending the child allowance money.....

Sorry, I just think that parents should be held responsible for their childrens' actions. You can't tell me that an unemployed mother/father/boyfriend/girlfriend combo cannot look after children properly.....after all, what else can you do in a dull, unemployed day?

Mass sterilisation anyone? A cull of chavs?
 
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Spanner said:
I think we are missing the point here slightly - wtf are the parents who should be surpervising this?

No doubt they are down the pub spending the child allowance money.....

Sorry, I just think that parents should be held responsible for their childrens' actions. You can't tell me that an unemployed mother/father/boyfriend/girlfriend combo cannot look after children properly.....after all, what else can you do in a dull, unemployed day?

Mass sterilisation anyone? A cull of chavs?
well i agree with you and and disagree with you in equal measures. Whilst parents are responsible for their kids actions, there is only so mucch control they can have over their kids. My mother didnt know i had an air gun when i was a teenager and would hav eflipped her lid if she did, but thankfully i used mine responsibly and never got into trouble with it, therefore she never got into trouble because of MY reckless use of the airgun.

see what im getting at or am i rambling?
 
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A_S - you already have to be 17 to buy one (but most dealers won't sell them to U18s), and since the anti-social behaviour act 2003, 18 to use one unsupervised (IIRC).

The solution is to use the existing laws and actually send people down for the offences, and make it clear that if you shoot at someone/something you're not supposed to, you're going down. None of this "prison doesn't work so we'll just let them run free" bullshit. The problem with increasing the penalties for misuse of airguns is that they're already roughly in line with misuse of firearms, and if you make them stricter, it sends a message to the crims that you want them to go that extra mile & acquire real firearms.
 

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