Another 25bn off the Welfware Budget

#2
Win win for Labour. Get the Tories to do all the heavy lifting and enter office with a dramatically reduced welfare bill whilst claiming the burden is falling on the most vunerable.
 
#4
Oh dear, this will have Jarrod and co frothing at the gash.
 
#5
Whilst I'm for it in priciple. It'd only work if there were actually jobs that peolple could do instead of signing on.

Is there?
 
#6
Bring it on. Can't wait. And I'm looking forward to the next election!
 
#7
Remember these cuts (if they come off).Will effect a lot of service(ex) who have had limbs blown off in afghanlstan irag and cant do anything because of PTSD.You all make me laugh .Cane the poor buggers who cant help themselves ,but woe betide when your own are touched it works both ways .It has got to be all or none .yes i know there those that get all yet walk down the street as though nothing is wrong.Yet then there are those who suffer in silence and realy wish they could do something with what life they may have
 
#8
Whilst I'm for it in priciple. It'd only work if there were actually jobs that peolple could do instead of signing on.

Is there?
Disability benefit has nothing to do with being employed or not. Disability is there to enable the disabled to adapt and live as normal a life as possible. If a person is able to work then they should do so because that is as normal a life as is possible. If they are able to work but unable to find work they should not be given extra because being unemployed is a part of normal life and is likely to effect them no worse then any other. You wouldn't expect a person who has lost a hand to have the same level of DLA as a person who is quadriplegic because there isn't the same level of need. If that person with a hand missing is made redundant why should he suddenly be on a higher rate? The people who need it should get it and the best was of making sure they do get it is to ensure that those who don't need it don't get it.
 
#10
Remember these cuts (if they come off).Will effect a lot of service(ex) who have had limbs blown off in afghanlstan irag and cant do anything because of PTSD.You all make me laugh .Cane the poor buggers who cant help themselves ,but woe betide when your own are touched it works both ways .It has got to be all or none .yes i know there those that get all yet walk down the street as though nothing is wrong.Yet then there are those who suffer in silence and realy wish they could do something with what life they may have
There is a slight difference between a Service person (copper, fireman, or indeed anyone) who has suffered a career-threatening physical or mental injury and the large number of idle feckers who have eaten their way to morbid obesity and a spaz chariot because of their incredibly poor lifestyle, a lifestyle we enable by allowing them to continue as they do.
 
#11
Remember these cuts (if they come off).Will effect a lot of service(ex) who have had limbs blown off in afghanlstan irag and cant do anything because of PTSD.You all make me laugh .Cane the poor buggers who cant help themselves ,but woe betide when your own are touched it works both ways .It has got to be all or none .yes i know there those that get all yet walk down the street as though nothing is wrong.Yet then there are those who suffer in silence and realy wish they could do something with what life they may have
Why do you think that someone who is totally incapacitated is suddenly going to have all benefits withdrawn?

Do you feel that we should just give DLA out to anyone without bothering to see if they need it?

However he is talking about getting people who can work (single mothers, long term unemployed etc) back to work, why do you think this is such a bad thing?
 
#12
However he is talking about getting people who can work (single mothers, long term unemployed etc) back to work, why do you think this is such a bad thing?
This is what gets up my nose. Friend of MrsPlume's is an immigrant & a thoroughly nice girl, although thick as two short planks, and a single mother of a child of another immigrant. Her father (an immigrant) allegedly has agoraphobia so has been given one of the rare council flats in the area and the friend is exempt from looking for work as she is her father's carer, a task which mainly consists of taking his betting slips to the bookies.

Best bit of all is that said friend has never worked in the UK beyond the odd cash-in-hand babysitting job before the birth of her child, and if her father lasts another three months then she will inherit the council house. She has no intention of working at all as all is cosy, thank you very much!
 
#13
Whilst I'm for it in priciple. It'd only work if there were actually jobs that peolple could do instead of signing on.

Is there?
Well, the thing being, I was surprised to learn this morning that there are 2.65 million unemployed (I thought there was a lot more), which given the population is 70-75 million, its not that bad (still not good though).

I am all for it, but sadly as Nikolai says, the Torys will sort things out and Labour will come in, claim the glory and **** it all up again, as they do everytime they come to power. I sadly have no doubt that Labour will win the next election as despite all these cuts being needed to get the country back on its feet after Labours attempt to destroy it, people will obviously dislike it and wrongly blame the Conservatives and vote Labour. Peoples memories seem to be very short and they also seem to be very gullible.
 
#14
This is what gets up my nose. Friend of MrsPlume's is an immigrant & a thoroughly nice girl, although thick as two short planks, and a single mother of a child of another immigrant. Her father (an immigrant) allegedly has agoraphobia so has been given one of the rare council flats in the area and the friend is exempt from looking for work as she is her father's carer, a task which mainly consists of taking his betting slips to the bookies.

Best bit of all is that said friend has never worked in the UK beyond the odd cash-in-hand babysitting job before the birth of her child, and if her father lasts another three months then she will inherit the council house. She has no intention of working at all as all is cosy, thank you very much!
It's nice to see that she has assimilated herself into the British way of life so well!
 
#15
Chap buggers off to a comfy tenure in California leaving a bulging PDF of ambitious proposals to be "considered", which the responsible minister thinks is bollocks. Good luck with that.

Why they are not cutting housing benefit more aggressively puzzles me. This is really an indirect subsidy to maintain high rents and house prices... oh that's why.
 

jarrod248

LE
Gallery Guru
#16
Why do you think that someone who is totally incapacitated is suddenly going to have all benefits withdrawn?

Do you feel that we should just give DLA out to anyone without bothering to see if they need it?

However he is talking about getting people who can work (single mothers, long term unemployed etc) back to work, why do you think this is such a bad thing?
Too many people who can work are written off, single mothers must be very socially excluded and really can contribute, let's go for it, more govt. sponsored child care with a contribution from the worker. Make the buggers work.
The national development team for social inclusion argue that social exclusion is more harmful to health than smoking. It's good for people to socialise, get out and do things. It's good for you and good for the country.
 

TheresaMay

ADC
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#17
On a recent stag weekend to Poland, I have to admit I had my eyes opened for me (understatement). Far from the poor nation of cold Eastern Bloc down-and-outs prejudice I had fixed in my mind - these people are hard working, well presented and extremely well motivated. Not to mention while the heaven's were opening over the UK the place was a scorching 28 degrees...

Cutting about in pretty dresses, the women were mainly all slim, hair worn smartly and a pleasure to 'observe' whilst enjoying a pint under the bistro's parasols. And something else I noticed were the many different takeaways (Mexican, Chinese etc) all run by Polish people.

So I asked one or two why the interest in the UK? Because it seemed to me they had everything they needed right there. "Simple" came the reply.

"In your country nobody wants your generous minumum wage because the benfits they get are much more rewarding, so we come in groups of 5-10, share a cheap house and work hard for six months. That way we can afford to live in this country for the other six, taking a part time job to top up our savings and relax during the summer".

And although that doesn't apply to all of them (generalising a little), it sums up the mentality of what is so very lacking in this country.

Soon after I landed I was out in town - and quickly lost count in the amount of tracky-wearing fat scrubbers pushing double prams, hair simply 'scrunchied' back, ciggie hanging out of mouth. Drunks loitering in their usual spots, immigrants working in every single fast-food outlet and corner shop.

After I managed to find one or two bits and pieces out of the five or six I'd come to town for (the rest being out of stock, and people wonder why the 'High St' is closing down?) I found a Costa-Bucks, sat down by the window, staring out at the relentless rain. I reflected back on my trip to Poland, picturing the smartly dressed, well motivated popluation - pondering to myself just how 'far' this country has come.

We are an idle nation - fact. And whilst we continue to sit on our arrses and dream of everything being handed to us on a plate, the rest of the world will stay awake and come and take that plate from us whilst we fade out of existence. Great Britain my arrse.
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
#18
Well, the thing being, I was surprised to learn this morning that there are 2.65 million unemployed (I thought there was a lot more), which given the population is 70-75 million, its not that bad (still not good though).
Yes but the unemployment people does not include people on disability benefit nor those 'not actively looking for work' - i.e. those with a private pension who have taken early retirement. If you add these into the equation, the 'unemployed figure' goes up to around 5 million.

For many years disability benefit was a way of massaging the unemployment figures - claim 100% disability benefit and disappear from the unemployment figures. Unfortunately, all that did was camouflage the problem. Now - as is becoming hugely apparent - UK PLC cannot afford the size of welfare bill we currently have.

That bill must be cut - but it needs cutting with the precision of a surgeons scalpel, not with heavy slices of the butcher's knife. To this end we have to winkle out those professional unemployed who just see disability benefit as another £30 a week handout. At the same time, we have to protect the deserving - such as servicemen who have lost limbs while serving.

The government needs to cut with care, explain loudly and clearly where those cuts are being targeted and face down the special interest groups who shout about 'unfair Tory cuts'.

Wordsmith
 
#19
On a recent stag weekend to Poland, I have to admit I had my eyes opened for me (understatement). Far from the poor nation of cold Eastern Bloc down-and-outs prejudice I had fixed in my mind - these people are hard working, well presented and extremely well motivated. Not to mention while the heaven's were opening over the UK the place was a scorching 28 degrees...

Cutting about in pretty dresses, the women were mainly all slim, hair worn smartly and a pleasure to 'observe' whilst enjoying a pint under the bistro's parasols. And something else I noticed were the many different takeaways (Mexican, Chinese etc) all run by Polish people.

So I asked one or two why the interest in the UK? Because it seemed to me they had everything they needed right there. "Simple" came the reply.

"In your country nobody wants your generous minumum wage because the benfits they get are much more rewarding, so we come in groups of 5-10, share a cheap house and work hard for six months. That way we can afford to live in this country for the other six, taking a part time job to top up our savings and relax during the summer".

And although that doesn't apply to all of them (generalising a little), it sums up the mentality of what is so very lacking in this country.

Soon after I landed I was out in town - and quickly lost count in the amount of tracky-wearing fat scrubbers pushing double prams, hair simply 'scrunchied' back, ciggie hanging out of mouth. Drunks loitering in their usual spots, immigrants working in every single fast-food outlet and corner shop.

After I managed to find one or two bits and pieces out of the five or six I'd come to town for (the rest being out of stock, and people wonder why the 'High St' is closing down?) I found a Costa-Bucks, sat down by the window, staring out at the relentless rain. I reflected back on my trip to Poland, picturing the smartly dressed, well motivated popluation - pondering to myself just how 'far' this country has come.

We are an idle nation - fact. And whilst we continue to sit on our arrses and dream of everything being handed to us on a plate, the rest of the world will stay awake and come and take that plate from us whilst we fade out of existence. Great Britain my arrse.
You're not the real David Cameron are you?
 
#20
It's nice to see that she has assimilated herself into the British way of life so well!
The friend is from the Southern Hemisphere & is here on the basis of grandparental citizenship from one of the British Isles.
 

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