Annual floods - time for a change?

#1
From the Beeb website:

Carlisle 'cut off' by flood water

- Heavy rains have been swelling many of Scotland's rivers

Carlisle is said to have been completely cut off after severe flooding forced the closure of all routes into the city.

Police appealed for help from boat owners in the area because cars were unable to reach central areas.

Emergency services have been stretched and Cumbria Police has called in extra staff to deal with the crisis.

The floods put some fire engines out of action and was so extensive that crews said they had nowhere to pump water.

Cumbria Police spokesman Mike Head said the city centre was "awash" with flood water.

He said: "We've had people phoning up reporting that the water is starting to creep up the stairs in their homes.

"Some houses have been evacuated. The city centre is awash. It's not right on the banks of the River Eden so it must just be from the sheer downpour of water.

"We're asking anyone who owns a boat to come out and help us get to the incidents."

"If you look out the window in some areas you can see boats bobbing along in the city centre."

Head Verger of Carlisle Cathedral, James Armstrong, described the scene in the city centre as "disastrous".

He said: "There are floods everywhere. People have been evacuated from houses, roads have been blocked off and most of the shops have had to shut because no one can get to them.

"The cathedral is on slightly higher ground so we haven't been affected by flooding, but bits of slate and lead have been falling off in the wind.

"Some of my friends were evacuated from their house at 0400 on Saturday morning.

"In one property on that road the water had come up to the windowsills."

Mr Armstrong, 41, said people in the area were worried that the situation could get worse.

He said: "I've been speaking to a few people about it and they are quiteanxious.

"It's still raining, there are strong gusts of wind and the water is stillrising.

"The police are operating cordons in the city centre and we've been told not to venture out at all."

Laura Thompson, an assistant at Carlisle Tourist Information Centre, said the floods were so high that she had seen cars being carried down roads by the water.

She said: "The police have been asking for people to bring their boats out and if you look out the window in some areas you can see boats bobbing along in the city centre.

"In some streets the houses have completely flooded and the water is as high as the kitchen tables."

In the north of Scotland a search was mounted in the River Findhorn after a man was reported to be in the water.

The alarm was raised by a member of the public and the search was being carried out near Forres in Moray.

Police, coastguard search teams and a helicopter from RAF Lossiemouth were taking part.

Police said they had no reports of any missing people in the area.

A number of homes in the Borders were also flooded overnight after strong winds and rain continued to batter much of the country.

Roads in the Borders, Dumfries and Galloway and Stirlingshire were particularly affected by flooding and landslips.

Strong winds and heavy seas also caused a ferry to run aground on rocks at Cairnryan.

Police in Dumfries and Galloway said all roads are affected by winds and flooding and are urging travellers only to travel if absolutely necessary.

Central Scotland Police said conditions in Stirlingshire were "deteriorating".

Strong winds are also affecting Fife, Perth and Kinross, Angus, Aberdeen City, Aberdeenshire and Moray.

A number of main and trunk roads have been closed due to flooding and fallen trees.

The M6 southbound from Carlisle is among those shut.

No large vehicles and only cars without roof boxes or trailers are being allowed over the Forth and Tay Road bridges because of high winds.

On the railways, the East Coast Main Line has been closed after overhead power lines came down.

Operator GNER is warning passengers with tickets not to set out on their journeys.

The Scottish Environmental Protection Agency said more serious flooding was expected in parts of Central Scotland and Perthshire.

Severe warnings are in place between Kenmore and Dunkeld on the River Tay, between Dunkeld and Perth on the Tay, Jed Water, the River Isla from the Bridge of Ruthven to the Tay, and the River Teith at Callandar.

Hundreds of sandbags have been distributed with the Callander, Bridgehaugh and Riverside areas the worst hit.

Ferry ports at Stranraer and Cairnryan have also been closed until further notice.

Wet weather is expected to continue with scattered showers across the country and strong winds in exposed areas. Snow is also expected on higher ground.
This happens every f*!*ing year! Do we have a collective memory span of 364 days, or a mass erasing of the data banks in summertime? Is it beyond the wit of mankind to implement flood defences? The cost of these must be far less than the annual cleanup cost of these floods?!?!? :roll:
 
#2
or how about choosing NOT to live in a flood plain???:D

agent smith
 
#4
or http://www.sepa.org.uk/flooding/ for the jocks

agent smith

Or not. The twats at SPEA havent even got round to making the flood plain maps!

how can those south of the border have them, and yet we cant? :evil:
 
#5
How about making the useless Environment Agency dredge the bloody rivers?
 
#7
To what end?

Properly dredged rivers a) flow faster clearing storm water more quickly and b) without metres of sludge on the bottom have greater general capacity.

The Severn flooded much less often and seriously for the centuries that it was maintained as navigable from Ironbridge (and beyond) to the sea. Now that the EA no longer bothers to keep the river clear much beyond Gloucestershire everywhere upriver gets regular floods.
 
#9
Of course stupid planners building on flood plains have a lot to answer for, although I would dispute that field drainage is significantly better than over the last century (in the West at least), this is irrelevent anyway as most fields have been waterlogged for weeks. The area of woodland in England and Wales is supposed to be actually increasing along the major rivers with the exception of the Thames.

There is however, significantly less capacity in most rivers, with the exception of the Thames again which is still regularly dredged to maintain navigability. Strangely enough I can't recall the Thames having anywhere near as many significant floods in recent years as the Severn or the Wye.
 
#10
Tributaries of the Thames didn't suffer as many "improvements" as those of the Severn.
One of the causal factors of recent flooding has been the improved drainage of land. This also leads to a falling of the water table, as precipitation runs off before it has time to soak down much below the subsoil level.
This is one reason why the EA are no longer straightening out watercourses - it merely moves the flooding downstream.

Building on floodplains.
Climate change.
Upland drainage.

All are a factor, plus we tend forget that there have always been floods to some extent.
 
#11
The hopeless DEFRA Minister Elliott Morley (who looks remarkably porcine), was on the News, waffling about climate change as a way of avoiding questions about the lack of flood warnings.

Apparently pollution's to blame for global warming, so can we now expect Bliar to get on to his best mate Bush43, leader of the world's most polluting nation, and get him to do something? Somehow, I doubt it.
 

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