Angela Rayner PM?

gung_hobo

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Greetings fellow Scum,

Reclaim the term "Scum". Rise to the top and admire the view! "I am Scum and proud". Scum is now a protected term and anybody who denigrates or vilifies it should be cancelled forthwith.

Pity the poor uncouth Raynor rather than rail against her. It is not her fault she received the type of education she wants to inflict on everybody. It is not her fault that she has few if any manners, a sense of proportion or a sense of shame. Pity the deluded fool and help those less fortunate than yourself. That is what Socialism should be. It is quite ironic that "scum" appear to have more generosity of spirit and compassion than the fragrant Raynor.

"Proud to be Scum".

Note: Scum is deliberately capitalised to differentiate it from Socialist bottom dwelling pond detritis (sludge). Scum is both the singular and the plural.

Off for a coffee.
 
Really, I thought you summed up most politicians regardless of the colour rosette they wear.
....and to add:- with no discernible talents that will benefit the community in any way IE farming,electrician, builder, fisherman, miner, steel worker,bricklayer, plumber, window cleaner, carpet layer etc etc...or any skilled manual job that benefits society should they join the real world, and have to do some real work to earn their living. The majority are full of wind and piss, i wouldn't trust them to run a bath, let alone a country.:mad:
 
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Really, I thought you summed up most politicians regardless of the colour rosette they wear.
I did say that politics sets a low bar these days - on both sides of the House.

I might have a look around later and see if I can find any statistical comparisons of politicians (age, gender, professional qualifications & life experience) over the decades, or even the last couple of centuries. I suspect that there's a demonstrable decline in quality and competence that will be pretty horrifying.

The gradual 'democratisation' of Parliament has certainly transformed society...
 

Gout Man

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I did say that politics sets a low bar these days - on both sides of the House.

I might have a look around later and see if I can find any statistical comparisons of politicians (age, gender, professional qualifications & life experience) over the decades, or even the last couple of centuries. I suspect that there's a demonstrable decline in quality and competence that will be pretty horrifying.

The gradual 'democratisation' of Parliament has certainly transformed society...
Indeed, for example I can’t imagine a Raynor in a James Callaghan cabinet, politics really has gone down hill, in fact it’s fallen off a cliff in the last few decades.
I stopped watching political programmes such as Question Time and the Marr show a few years ago.
 
I might have a look around later and see if I can find any statistical comparisons of politicians (age, gender, professional qualifications & life experience) over the decades, or even the last couple of centuries. I suspect that there's a demonstrable decline in quality and competence that will be pretty horrifying.

On paper "quality" might have gone up by some measures, I bet there are more MPs with degrees for example. But in terms of "commercial or industrial or professional experience outside of politics" it will have dropped of a cliff. Maggie and Major both had worked in the real world, but who since then? And I'm not sure a token spell as a lawyer should count.

It should not be possible for a person to do a political degree such as PPE at Oxford, or/then get a job as a party or union functionary, then get parachuted into a "safe seat", it makes a mockery of the whole process. But this will never be reformed as the turkeys in Parliament will never vote for Christmas.
 

Proff3RTR

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I'm mildly offended that you assume the intellectual level of Tesco's staff is low. I worked in a store for 1.5 yrs as the part time hours suited my child care arrangements and I loved having zero responsibility or call out liability.

I'm now in a different business and role, full time, studying Post Grad courses as


good for you my friend, if what I said offended you, not much I can do about that really, but if you read what I put it works out, the job she holds is a responsible one, and one which if she gets further could have severe repercussions for us as a nation, a shelf stacker or petrol pump attendant does not have such impact. That you took it as a personal poke to the chest is I’m afraid, not really my worry or problem.
 

Daxx

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@Proff3RTR Not sure why you put your response as if I had typed it and you quoted me. Maybe you should work at Tesco?
 
On paper "quality" might have gone up by some measures, I bet there are more MPs with degrees for example. But in terms of "commercial or industrial or professional experience outside of politics" it will have dropped of a cliff. Maggie and Major both had worked in the real world, but who since then? And I'm not sure a token spell as a lawyer should count.

It should not be possible for a person to do a political degree such as PPE at Oxford, or/then get a job as a party or union functionary, then get parachuted into a "safe seat", it makes a mockery of the whole process. But this will never be reformed as the turkeys in Parliament will never vote for Christmas.
What did it take to get a degree in 1960 and what does it take to get a 'degree' now?

Old fashioned O and A Levels or Highers were far more challenging than modern GCSEs and A Levels. Schools were far more rigorous and imposed greater discipline and higher standards. Can you imagine a modern school requiring pupils to remain behind after school for elocution lessons, or to practice walking with books balanced on their heads to correct a slouching posture? That was normal within living memory and was designed to equip pupils to go out into the world and achieve their innate potential.

There are plenty of graduate politicians who wouldn't have beaten the competition to get into university a generation or two ago. Even today, the majority wouldn't pass an academically rigorous STEM degree.
 
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Old fashioned O and A Levels or Highers were far more challenging than modern GCSEs and A Levels.

Agreed. Going back a long time now but when I did my A-levels, after having done GCSEs, we were given some old O-level exams as practice and they were well beyond anything we had covered. The rot set in as soon as the old O-levels were scrapped and GCSEs brought in.
 

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Somewhat interesting to see who, apart from the Unions, funds this perfect example of Mad Cow Disease:

Looks like the day book of a hooker who specialises in helping gentlemen from Asia and Trade Union Leaders...
 

Grownup_Rafbrat

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Agreed. Going back a long time now but when I did my A-levels, after having done GCSEs, we were given some old O-level exams as practice and they were well beyond anything we had covered. The rot set in as soon as the old O-levels were scrapped and GCSEs brought in.
My mother always claimed that the rot set in when the pass mark for O levels was reduced from 66% to 45%.

She was in the first year which did O levels rather than Matriculation. According to Dad, who did Matriculation, the rot set in when the broader based qualification where you had to pass all segments, was diluted to test separate subjects...

Personally I think years of political interference and 'anti-elitism' has dragged everything down to the point where you can't separate academic intelligence and technical potential from those who will keep the nation going as gardeners, waiters etc.
 
My mother always claimed that the rot set in when the pass mark for O levels was reduced from 66% to 45%.

She was in the first year which did O levels rather than Matriculation. According to Dad, who did Matriculation, the rot set in when the broader based qualification where you had to pass all segments, was diluted to test separate subjects...

Personally I think years of political interference and 'anti-elitism' has dragged everything down to the point where you can't separate academic intelligence and technical potential from those who will keep the nation going as gardeners, waiters etc.
I've said this before, I have worked with a lot of people with A levels and degrees coming out of their ears. Some of them were as thick as a dolphin on toast.
 
Looks like the day book of a hooker who specialises in helping gentlemen from Asia and Trade Union Leaders...
Angela angling for a Chinese pension once she's done with politics?

She is exactly the type of Western politician that Beijing would consider a high priority target.
 

goodoldboy

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My mother always claimed that the rot set in when the pass mark for O levels was reduced from 66% to 45%.

She was in the first year which did O levels rather than Matriculation. According to Dad, who did Matriculation, the rot set in when the broader based qualification where you had to pass all segments, was diluted to test separate subjects...

Personally I think years of political interference and 'anti-elitism' has dragged everything down to the point where you can't separate academic intelligence and technical potential from those who will keep the nation going as gardeners, waiters etc.
And your Mother was right.

Concerning Angela Raynor, the fact that she had a child at 16 and left school without qualifications doesn't really concern me as, in my eyes, things happen to most teenagers in one way or another.

However, life is all about improving, progressing, learning and doing what you can; in the case of dear Angela though she has done none of these things and seems to revel in the fact the she's even further down the gutter than when she started. With a total lack of finesse, professionalism or any sign of being a solid and sensible debater makes her a laughing stock in this country and overseas. We are all working people but that doesn't mean that we have to act like thugs, fish-wives and slappers.

Nice cup of coffee just now...
 

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