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Angela Rayner - Fit to direct education policy?

Dark_Nit

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Angela Rayner, Shadow Education Secretary has announced plans to completely revamp the education system in the event of a Labour victory at the next GE.

Labour would end free market in higher education, says Rayner

Now, whilst I am not at all happy with the current state of higher education in the UK, I have some doubts.

Firstly, Labour's track record in education isn't exactly sparkling. As a victim of the 1960s policy for massive comprehensive schools, I shudder at the thoughts of a non-selective education system.

Secondly, Ms Rayner is one of the least educated MPs you will find.

Ms Rayner's education:
Early life and education
Rayner was born on 28 March 1980 in Stockport, Greater Manchester, England.[6] She attended Avondale School in Stockport,[7] leaving school pregnant at 16 with no qualifications.[8][9] She later studied British Sign Language, care, and counselling at Stockport College, a college of further and higher education.[6]


Ms Rayner is also a dogmatic crypto-communist hard left winger.

I am cringing at the thought of someone with no experience of University life attempting to totally reorganise higher education in this country.

Edited to add linky:
Angela Rayner - Wikipedia
 

MrBane

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Now that's a scheme bird if ever I saw one.

I would.

Also, that's probably why she wants to reform it, because it was denied to her after her terrible leg spreading accident.
 

Sarastro

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I am cringing at the thought of someone with no experience of University life attempting to totally reorganise higher education in this country.

I mean, really? Were you cringing at the thought of TM, someone with no policing experience, trying to reform the police; Gordon Brown, someone with no banking experience trying to reform the banks, Michael Gove, someone with no teaching experience trying to reform schools, various Ministers of Defence and the Army, and so on.

Basically every politician we have had ever has no actual experience of their brief. Why is this one particularly noteworthy?
 
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@Sarastro I mean, really? Were you cringing at the thought of TM, someone with no policing experience, trying to reform the police; Gordon Brown, someone with no banking experience trying to reform the banks, Michael Gove, someone with no teaching experience trying to reform schools, various Ministers of Defence and the Army, and so on.

Basically every politician we have had ever has no actual experience of their brief. Why is this one particularly noteworthy?

Because maybe that's why the country is proper fukked ?
 
I am cringing at the thought of someone with no experience of University life attempting to totally reorganise higher education in this country.
Bearing in mind most people's experience of University life is being so drunk they can barely stand while occasionally doing some work for 3 years (or at least it was when I went) I don't see the relevance that would have to changing how universities are organised on a management level.

Some of her ideas sound good, some sound utterly bonkers. The idea of limiting the Vice Chancellor's pay to a multiple of the lowest staff salary sounds reasonable in principle.

The bit that would genuinely concern me is this "Our universities are too male, pale and stale and do not represent the communities that they serve or modern Britain. Women and staff from ethnic minority backgrounds are chronically under-represented across these institutions, and in particular at the most senior levels".

Either you want the best experts in their field or you don't. The colour of someone's skin or their genitals makes no difference to the quality of their teaching and research.
 
Because maybe that's why the country is proper fukked ?
I think I've mentioned this before but a stand-up years ago suggested an MP work experience scheme. Whenever someone gets appointed to a new role they spend time getting practical experience of what actually happens.

New Education secretary? Excellent, you're off to teach in a variety of schools around the country. Health secretary - good, spend some time assisting in a range of different wards. Home or Justice? You're sworn in as a Special Constable and get to spend Fridays and Saturdays outside the pubs at kicking out time.

I don't think it would solve anything but it might give MPs a better understanding of what actually happens outside the Westminster bubble.
 
I think I've mentioned this before but a stand-up years ago suggested an MP work experience scheme. Whenever someone gets appointed to a new role they spend time getting practical experience of what actually happens.

New Education secretary? Excellent, you're off to teach in a variety of schools around the country. Health secretary - good, spend some time assisting in a range of different wards. Home or Justice? You're sworn in as a Special Constable and get to spend Fridays and Saturdays outside the pubs at kicking out time.

I don't think it would solve anything but it might give MPs a better understanding of what actually happens outside the Westminster bubble.
Give your head a shake, common sense has no place in trying to run a country :)
 
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Angela Rayner, Shadow Education Secretary has announced plans to completely revamp the education system in the event of a Labour victory at the next GE.



Labour's track record in education isn't exactly sparkling. As a victim of the 1960s policy for massive comprehensive schools, I shudder at the thoughts of a non-selective education system.

Me too,
I started secondary school in 64
To start I had old school ex forces teachers that were, over my 5 years as a pupil gradually supplemented with the new wave of what I thought then and still do think were the "free thought, trendy, let the pupils express themselves" sort- who seemed to have come from a "training to go either to teaching or social work- it doesn't make a difference" pot.
I have managed to reach retirement without too much harm but as I look around- and having had to work with results of the "progressive" methods of education - I just shake my head
 

Sarastro

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Because maybe that's why the country is proper fukked ?

Totally agree. But this thread isn't about making all politicians get some experience of what they manage, it's about one shadow minister in particular. My question was: why is she different?

I know about as much about Angela Rayner as @Dark_Nit - i.e. ( √ **** all ) + Wikipedia - but I bet that if the background here was: 16-yr old chav left school with no qualifications, did Harrogate and served for ten years, then stood to be an MP when he left and is now a shadow minister; then opinions would be that he was a sterling bloke who had pulled himself up by his bootstraps etc.
 

Dark_Nit

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I've been to university twice. Once as a student and once as a member of research staff.

I could not afford to drink my way through my first degree. Firstly I didn't have the money and secondly because I needed to pass my degree.

The second time I saw a lot of the pressures on staff to bring money into the university, never mind the endless "new initiatives".

I currently have a son at uni and another child lining up to go.

My objection to Ms Rayner is two-fold:

1. She is thicker than well matured pig-sh!t. I used to live in her constituency and still have friends there. A-u-L is half-full of people who want to spend their lives on benefits and would vote for Stalin if he promised them booze and fags and a Sky subscription. Rayner has lots of animal cunning but no intelligence.

2. She is a dogmatic hard left "socialist" who wants a one-size-fits all and everyone-gets-a-coconut education system for free. She has freeloaded her way into politics via trade unionism and radical left views and will do her damndest to impose her views on everyone.

BTW, I totally agree with removing the market economics from education in general. I just don't like what Labour wants to replace it with. I want a proper selective education system that differentiates between people of varying academic abilities and provides an education that fits each.

I don't want students coming out of education with crippling debts. One young man of my acquaintance who studied computing in a good London university has £54,000 of student debt consisting of £30,000 of fees (and rising at 6% pa) and the rest of accommodation and living expenses.

However, the money for education has to come from somewhere!

[And breathe deeply]
 
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Either you want the best experts in their field or you don't. The colour of someone's skin or their genitals makes no difference to the quality of their teaching and research.
Unless, of course, you are white and born male.
 
The bit that would genuinely concern me is this "Our universities are too male, pale and stale and do not represent the communities that they serve or modern Britain. Women and staff from ethnic minority backgrounds are chronically under-represented across these institutions, and in particular at the most senior levels".

It takes roughly 25 years to become a Professor, so what you are actually measuring here is the diversity levels in HE from 25 years ago. It was no way as 'diverse' as the UK is today.

The alternative is to go and strip the top profs out of the third world unis thereby condemning their students to worse education to satisfy the screaming harpies of diversity in the UK.
 
I mean, really? Were you cringing at the thought of TM, someone with no policing experience, trying to reform the police; Gordon Brown, someone with no banking experience trying to reform the banks, Michael Gove, someone with no teaching experience trying to reform schools, various Ministers of Defence and the Army, and so on.

Basically every politician we have had ever has no actual experience of their brief. Why is this one particularly noteworthy?

May I present Chris Grayling
 

Slime

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I mean, really? Were you cringing at the thought of TM, someone with no policing experience, trying to reform the police; Gordon Brown, someone with no banking experience trying to reform the banks, Michael Gove, someone with no teaching experience trying to reform schools, various Ministers of Defence and the Army, and so on.

Basically every politician we have had ever has no actual experience of their brief. Why is this one particularly noteworthy?

Not only is your last point incorrect, but is also newsworthy at the moment.
It seems that the politician with experience in his field and who had a great hand in not only defeating an evil regime but shaping the world for decades afterwards is now labelled as 'a villian' by those very same people recommending Rayner as the potential minister for education.

How times change!
Churchill as a villain, but Corbyn as a hero!
 

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