Andy McNab reviews "JARHEAD" not bad

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#3
If the film is as boring as the book thenI don't think I will be making a bee line to the cinema to see it. We all know the army works at the 'hurry up and wait' bit but I don't see how a film showing this is going to excite me in any way at all.
 
#4
I think its probably a reasonably intelligent film, portraying "Realistic" soldier experiences. Probably not got enough explosions and action for the likes of you AY.

Surely better than American, jingoistic, we did the business films!

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#5
Yeah, looks real good. Except the author is a liar and never was a sniper...He was attached to a sniper platoon. However, never a sniper.

You guys like "walts," he is one. Do your research.
 
#6
While I'm not bothered in the slightest about the veracity of the authors military credentials, I'm hoping it still portrays as close to the "Experience" of USMC at war as possible

I'm sure you have absolute evidence that the author wasn't what he claims but it is refreshing to see our cousins down playing the warry aspects of combat
However I reserve the right to change my opinion whence I see, said film
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#7
Entertaining yes, a classic, no, kept me amused for a while, but it is a little boring, the trailer looks awsome, the film itself falls somewhat short of that.
 
#8
Seedubs
would you spend a night on it or would you go ashore and wait for the DVD
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#9
Personally, I would watch it if there was nothing else to do, or just wait for the DVD. I suppose a comparison would be films (in terms of appeal) along the lines of Thin Red Line or even possibly Hamburger hill, but its no Full Metal Jacket or Pte Ryan.
 
#11
Well Mr Gimp, I spent 12 years in the United States Marine Corps. I can tell you a few things. Yes, its fairly accurate when it comes to the day to day life of a Marine (by the way, Marines cannot STAND being called soldiers). One thing Marines, and for that matter, Special Forces Soldiers detest, is people who lie, embellish, etc their "credentials." The author of the book, and hence said movie, has done just that. He was a Marine, for that I give him his "props." However, he was NEVER a Marine Sniper which, in my opinion, makes everything he says BS. Its very difficult for me to listen/watch a liar in action.

I find it funny, some people here slam the hell out of Andy McNab. However, some of you are falling head over heels for this "spam." Makes me laugh...
 
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Phil306 said:
Well Mr Gimp, I spent 12 years in the United States Marine Corps. I can tell you a few things. Yes, its fairly accurate when it comes to the day to day life of a Marine (by the way, Marines cannot STAND being called soldiers). One thing Marines, and for that matter, Special Forces Soldiers detest, is people who lie, embellish, etc their "credentials." The author of the book, and hence said movie, has done just that. He was a Marine, for that I give him his "props." However, he was NEVER a Marine Sniper which, in my opinion, makes everything he says BS. Its very difficult for me to listen/watch a liar in action.

I find it funny, some people here slam the hell out of Andy McNab. However, some of you are falling head over heels for this "spam." Makes me laugh...
Not that I want to take anything away from him, but far from Hollywood to embelish a plot, U-571 being a good example, I believe Once we were soldiers is loosly based around the activities of a guy that originated from Cornwall and was heavily involved in saving lives in the Twin towers. So all in all at least this sniper guy is a Yank,fall head over heals about that!

More Hollywood 'miss-interpretations are sure to follow'
 
#13
Frenchie,

I quite agree. Hollywood does "take liberties" with true life movies. That I don't have a problem with. What I do have a problem with is the author lying about his credentials, etc. That is my point.
 
#14
Whats the problem? He was in contact twice and pissed himself on each occasion. However, I particularly like the bit when he considers tossing himself off over the Captain's desk to obtain a discharge (Fcuk me, a 'Double Entendre')(In my day, I believe collecting spoons achieved the same objective) Still a good read

Disappointed to read he is a Walt
 
#15
Be very careful chaps. I have a 'friend' who downloaded this film, all 680 odd megabytes of it, because the reviews looked good. He was, shall we say, less than thrilled to find that there is an 'alternative' version out there (still called Jarhead) that portrays lots of young men in US marine uniforms being very familiar with each other. 8O
 
#16
Awol,

So how is that different from the original????


Sorry, Phil306, couldn't resist it
 

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Phil306 said:
Well Mr Gimp, I spent 12 years in the United States Marine Corps. I can tell you a few things. Yes, its fairly accurate when it comes to the day to day life of a Marine (by the way, Marines cannot STAND being called soldiers). One thing Marines, and for that matter, Special Forces Soldiers detest, is people who lie, embellish, etc their "credentials." The author of the book, and hence said movie, has done just that. He was a Marine, for that I give him his "props." However, he was NEVER a Marine Sniper which, in my opinion, makes everything he says BS. Its very difficult for me to listen/watch a liar in action.

I find it funny, some people here slam the hell out of Andy McNab. However, some of you are falling head over heels for this "spam." Makes me laugh...
I have the book and it is pi sh - regardless of whether he was a sniper or not. The film can only be better but if it goes through how he had a hard time as a pad brat and never really left the 'base' then feck it. From his story he never really did anything - which is probably the most telling part, cos that counts for most soldiers.
 
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ACAB said:
Awol,

So how is that different from the original????


Sorry, Phil306, couldn't resist it
Put it this way. I felt lucky and somewhat innocent, in that I had reached the venerable age of 44 without ever seeing a blokes todger in another man's mouth.

Now I just feel dirty.... :wink:
 
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Phil306 said:
Well Mr Gimp, I spent 12 years in the United States Marine Corps. I can tell you a few things. Yes, its fairly accurate when it comes to the day to day life of a Marine (by the way, Marines cannot STAND being called soldiers). One thing Marines, and for that matter, Special Forces Soldiers detest, is people who lie, embellish, etc their "credentials." The author of the book, and hence said movie, has done just that. He was a Marine, for that I give him his "props." However, he was NEVER a Marine Sniper which, in my opinion, makes everything he says BS. Its very difficult for me to listen/watch a liar in action.

I find it funny, some people here slam the hell out of Andy McNab. However, some of you are falling head over heels for this "spam." Makes me laugh...
REPLY: Phil, think the problem is that people are reluctant to cast aspertions re credentials etc of an individual/ organisation with which they're unfamiliar. We cannot judge the man's veracity, and in any case there is no obvious reason to doubt him - the average reader, "outside the loop", is likely, therefore, to accept the author at face value.

"Andy McNab" has been criticised by some because there is clear evidence that his, supposedly factual, account of B20 was "spiced up" to make good copy, plus a general feeling that he should have avoided certain comments about a dead man - true or not - if only out of consideration for his family. Plus, pseudonyms are fine (plenty of writers use them etc), but (and the British Army is a small world - his real name is widely known) in this case, many feel that his continuing use of "McNab", insistence on appearing in shadow etc on TV, is all part of an on-going self-promotion fest that doesn't impress the average Brit. After all, if a former RSM of 22 SAS plus many other of the Regiment's longest serving members (eg Ken Connor, Pete Scholey, Don Large, Peter McAleese) feel able to write/ appear on TV under their own names then WTF can't he, especially as he saw fit to use the real names of men who died, and - in one case - to suggest that he wasn't up to the job?! BTW, there are at least 3 former members of British Special Forces in Parliament - far more vulnerable to terrorist attacks, one would think, than a writer of "action adventure" stories, so "McNab"'s on-going "cloak 'n' daggerism" just seems a bit tiresome to many.

Personally, I found the book "Jarhead" very unsatisfactory - too much "subfusc" Michael Herr type philosophising and an insufficiently coherent account of how the author came to be what he claims to have been. Have to say that I had my doubts about him - the last time I read something similarly vague/ disordered was an account by one "Peter Mercer" about his supposed time in the SBS, when in fact he'd been a "boat driver" attached to them. Like "Jarhead", his account of selection/ training was hazy, to say the least, and - of course - it did turn out that the fellow was a bullshi**er, and a convicted criminal!

I would have liked to have read an accurate account of how USMC "Scout Snipers" are selected/ trained; their roles; how they fit into the whole MEU/ MEB set-up etc, but unfortunately "Jarhead" failed to deliver - for the reason that you've made clear. Is it possible to find out these things? USMC website gives few specifics - unsurprisingly. Can you recommend reliable books/ sources?

Best wishes,

W_M.
 

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