...and while were all looking the other way...

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  1. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2957428/Sharia-law-courts-operating-in-Britain.html

    Five sharia courts have been set up in London, Birmingham, Bradford and Manchester and Nuneaton, Warwickshire. The government has quietly sanctioned that their rulings are enforceable with the full power of the judicial system, through the county courts or High Court. Previously, the rulings were not binding and depended on voluntary compliance among Muslims.

    Lawyers have issued grave warnings about the dangers of a dual legal system and the disclosure drew criticism from Opposition leaders.

    Dominic Grieve, the shadow home secretary, said: "If it is true that these tribunals are passing binding decisions in the areas of family and criminal law, I would like to know which courts are enforcing them because I would consider such action unlawful. British law is absolute and must remain so."

    Douglas Murray, the director of the Centre for Social Cohesion, added: "I think it's appalling. I don't think arbitration that is done by sharia should ever be endorsed or enforced by the British state."

    Muslim tribunal courts started passing sharia judgments in August 2007. They have dealt with more than 100 cases that range from Muslim divorce and inheritance to nuisance neighbours.

    It has also emerged that tribunal courts have settled six cases of domestic violence between married couples, working in tandem with the police investigations.

    Sheikh Faiz-ul-Aqtab Siddiqi, whose Muslim Arbitration Tribunal runs the courts, said that sharia courts are classified as arbitration tribunals under a clause in the Arbitration Act 1996.

    The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case.

    The disclosures come after Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, sparked a national debate and calls for his resignation for saying that the establishment of sharia in the future "seems unavoidable" in Britain.

    In July, Lord Phillips of Worth Matravers, the Lord Chief Justice agreed that Muslims in Britain should be able to live according to Islamic law to decide financial and marital disputes.

    Mr Siddiqi said he expected the courts to handle a greater number of "smaller" criminal cases in coming years as more Muslim clients approach them. Two more courts are being planned for Glasgow and Edinburgh.

    "All we are doing is regulating community affairs in these cases," said Mr Siddiqi, chairman of the governing council of the tribunal.

    There are concerns for women suffering under the Islamic laws, which favours men.

    Mr Siddiqi said that in a recent inheritance dispute handled by the court in Nuneaton, the estate of a Midlands man was divided between three daughters and two sons.

    The judges on the panel gave the sons twice as much as the daughters, in accordance with sharia. Had the family gone to a normal British court, the daughters would have got equal amounts.

    In the six cases of domestic violence, Mr Siddiqi said the judges ordered the husbands to take anger management classes and mentoring from community elders. There was no further punishment.

    In each case, the women subsequently withdrew the complaints they had lodged with the police and the police stopped their investigations.

    Mr Siddiqi said that in the domestic violence cases, the advantage was that marriages were saved and couples given a second chance.
  2. Perhaps they can stone some chavs for us whilst they're there.
  3. Suits me fine. As a Welshman I now expect that 'thieving' and 'molesting sheep' will be subject to consideration by a Welsh Court. The verdicts being:

    On the First Charge of Thieving: Not Guilty

    On the Second Charge of Molestation: Not Guilty

    Both actions being totally normal; as are forced marriages, under-age sex, limb amputation and stoning to death.

    'Tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime'.
  4. So is that 12 year old a few houses down up for grabs now if i slip her parents a few quid or what?

    Joke , Gotta be fcuking careful havnt ya.
  5. Key sentence there.

    I was under the impression that the Sudanese had also setup their own 'Courts' and Jewish 'courts' have been active for many years.
  6. well its like they say they want to take over england.

    the fcuking dirty cnuts.
  7. This is a non story, these "courts" are just an arbitration service, they are only binding if both parties agree to it, no different to a beth din (Jewish "court").

    The are still subject to civil and criminal law and any decision can be appealed.
  8. Well as long as they are just religious courts its not really a major problem, bearing in mind muslims are only about 3% of the population and not all are as serious about it like Pakistanis, Sudanese, Algerians and Arabs.

    Technically speaking, as I had a catholic wedding (only way to get me into a church now is if you were going to let me burn it) if I wanted another one I would first have to get a civil divorce then get an annullment (sp) from the old Bar of Soap himself. Then I could have another church wedding. So that is some sort of religious court type thingy isnt it
  9. Exactly

    Complete nonsense (and I'm learning to become an arbitrator)
  10. Sshhhh, Don't upset the outrage bandwagon by saying something sensible!
  11. Already done on another equally gripping thread, the outrage mobile was first-paraded for no reason then too.