And theyre Off - SNP Begins Push for Independence

#1
. . . . but will they fall at the first.

Not only have all other parties (minus the Greens) spoken out against the move but it would seem that most scottish people also favour continued union.

Today's statement by Alex Salmond, the First Minister and SNP leader, also comes in the wake of a YouGov opinion poll showing a significant drop in public backing in Scotland for independence.
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#3
He will fall and fall heavily.

I have never wanted it, and when you see the idiots who want the power you can see why the majority won't want it either. Lies and misrepresentation by the SNP has seen the thought of looking reasonably favourable. A look at the truth of seperation soon puts it into perspective.
 
#4
SparkySteve said:
Can't we just cast them adrift at Hadrians Wall if they want indepenance?
We are the only thing keeping Engerlund above sea level - do that and you better get down B&Q quick Noah!
 

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#5
Sven said:
. . . . but will they fall at the first.

Not only have all other parties (minus the Greens) spoken out against the move but it would seem that most scottish people also favour continued union.

Today's statement by Alex Salmond, the First Minister and SNP leader, also comes in the wake of a YouGov opinion poll showing a significant drop in public backing in Scotland for independence.
Link
Oh my gosh! What a surprise! I never thought that Labliar pushing the 'regional' button would lead to this, honestly. Whatever next?

My only sincere hope is that the public DO make their voice heard and stop this in it's tracks. The 'regions' need to remain as one IMHO.

I note that Salmon is hedging his bets by mooting this as an opening for 'discussion'. If people go hard against it, he can claim to be truly representative of the people and save face.
 
#6
Anyone with any common sense will realise that this will fall at the first! Scotland are tied to the UK financially, and if they ever split they would still be tied financially. Scotland has no real method of supporting itself financially, and before anyone shouts "what aboot the oil we have" its only piped into the UK via Scotland, it could come in anywhere considering its BRITISH petroleum which harvests it. Even now, the English taxpayer supports the Scottish taxpayer to the tune of £1000 each year, just to keep them afloat. The last opinion pole I read a few months ago stated there are more English people which would vote for a split than Scottish! thats saying something!

Standby for incoming.....
 
#7
This is one of those news stories that raises it's head on an all too regular basis, as stated most Scots do not want independence (note the spelling Sparky) I am one of those, I have no problems with the English, some of my best mates come from England, try explaining that in any pub in Scotland, they look at you like there is something wrong with you.

The bottom line is there are too many other significant problems within the UK today, without worrying about building hadrians wall again (remember it couldn't contain us the first time). Real news is........

Out of control immigration, kids being stabbed daily, terrorists trying to spoil our freedoms, people being shot dead on motorways......etc etc,

Salmond is an arsse and should not be taken too seriously, we are a union and long may it continue, because we must look after our own if this country is to be Great again.
 
#8
hammy123 said:
before anyone shouts "what aboot the oil we have" its only piped into the UK via Scotland, quote]

Scotland is in the UK......fool.
 
#10
methilman said:
hammy123 said:
before anyone shouts "what aboot the oil we have" its only piped into the UK via Scotland, quote]

Scotland is in the UK......fool.
Cheeky boy! The point I was making was that if Scotland gained independence they dont necessarily own the oil - FOOL!
 
#11
Methil

Scotland is the top half of the UK. The letters stand for United Kingdom. The two prior kingdoms were Scotland and England. The UK would cease to exist if the two original kingdoms split apart.

But you knew that.
 
#12
hammy123 said:
methilman said:
hammy123 said:
before anyone shouts "what aboot the oil we have" its only piped into the UK via Scotland, quote]

Scotland is in the UK......fool.
Cheeky boy! The point I was making was that if Scotland gained independence they dont necessarily own the oil - FOOL!
I never stated we did own the oil ! lets stop the fool thing! :wink:
 
#13
Scouting for Boys said:
Methil

Scotland is the top half of the UK. The letters stand for United Kingdom. The two prior kingdoms were Scotland and England. The UK would cease to exist if the two original kingdoms split apart.

But you knew that.
Course I did Scout, pity Hammy wasn't better informed before trying to ruffle all the Scots up.
 
#14
Sven said:
. . . . but will they fall at the first.

Not only have all other parties (minus the Greens) spoken out against the move but it would seem that most scottish people also favour continued union.

Today's statement by Alex Salmond, the First Minister and SNP leader, also comes in the wake of a YouGov opinion poll showing a significant drop in public backing in Scotland for independence.
Link
If one politician says "most people" and then another politician says "most people" to describe their alleged constituency, which one is lying?

The answer is both. Which is why referenda are not popular with "democratic" politicians. Who prefer something they call a mandate.

Listening to Alex Salmond, he seemed quite measured. Granted he nailed his colours early doors to the mast, making it clear that devolution is a process not an event (RIP Donald Dewar!). He also made it clear that next stages will be about reasserting Scottish governmental rights, on things like broadcasting. He finished up by saying that any major constitutional change would require a referendum - by which he meant independence obviously. No surprises really, the man is after all not merely First Minister of an English puppet state but also leader of the SNP!

I find myself warming to Alex. Curiously as FM he exhibits a good impression of gravitas and statesmanship whereas as a minority Westminster MP he seemed a bit of a whoops-lobster-tea-kettle-barbecue!
 
#15
Sven said:
I also found this article in the politics section of the Beeb website.

What the SNP have Acheived in Power so Far

As far as I can see - not a lot
Sven, you should have read the article - thanks for pointing it out to me by the way or I might have missed it - instead of assuming that it said nothing much (in 100 days just mind! 100 days more than the Lib Dems have ever had in power!)

In fact they have thrived on it. In its first 100 days, this SNP administration has astonished Scotland with its energy and confidence.

Even the leading Conservative columnist in Scotland, Alan Cochrane of the Daily Telegraph, has declared that "Alex Salmond is walking on water".

'Champion Scotland'

But now the mood has changed. There seems to be a new energy to Scottish public life.

The commentator Joyce MacMillan has declared "Scotland has had its revolution" - and the way the SNP have set about governing Scotland certainly seems revolutionary.

There have been mass public meetings and consultations on issues like wind farms and rural affairs.

Alex Salmond has been to Brussels to champion Scotland's case in Europe.

He's even been photographed with another powerful Scot who lives in Downing Street. (Quite a contrast with the last prime minister - Tony Blair refused to phone Alex Salmond to congratulate him after the election).


Mr Brown and Mr Salmond met at talks in Belfast

And the Nationalist administration has embarked on a blizzard of activity - repealing unpopular bridge tolls and making noises about reforming Scotland's broadcasting system.

In the wake of the terrorist attacks at Glasgow Airport at the end of June, Alex Salmond has been statesman-like in his desire to work alongside the British government to safeguard Scotland's security.

This willingness to seek consensus rather than confrontation has taken just about everyone in Scotland by surprise. Alex Salmond has never been regarded as one of nature's conciliators.
 
#16
methilman said:
Scouting for Boys said:
Methil

Scotland is the top half of the UK. The letters stand for United Kingdom. The two prior kingdoms were Scotland and England. The UK would cease to exist if the two original kingdoms split apart.

But you knew that.
Course I did Scout, pity Hammy wasn't better informed before trying to ruffle all the Scots up.
Methilman - have you ever noticed that the English tactics to debate a continued Union are always based on why Scotland couldn't survive as a political entity, rather than why Union is a good thing?? :wink:
 
#17
I wonder if the SNP had a tag line of 'Scotland for the Scottish' they would still be as popular? The BNP aren't! The only way Scotland would be able to support itself would be to sell off all infrastructure to private companies to run (all though most already are) as the tax base they would have is almost zero. I'm also concerned about the 'anti-English' message they try to imply. Nationalist parties are not to be trusted. Ever.
 
#18
methilman said:
Scouting for Boys said:
Methil

Scotland is the top half of the UK. The letters stand for United Kingdom. The two prior kingdoms were Scotland and England. The UK would cease to exist if the two original kingdoms split apart.

But you knew that.
Course I did Scout, pity Hammy wasn't better informed before trying to ruffle all the Scots up.
Oh dear, here we go!
 
#19
Speedy said:
I wonder if the SNP had a tag line of 'Scotland for the Scottish' they would still be as popular? The BNP aren't! The only way Scotland would be able to support itself would be to sell off all infrastructure to private companies to run (all though most already are) as the tax base they would have is almost zero. I'm also concerned about the 'anti-English' message they try to imply. Nationalist parties are not to be trusted. Ever.
Good point. Having spent the last two years working in Edin and Glasgow, Ive met some VERY anti English people, usually fired up by SNP extremists if thats possible :) I cant claim to have seen this in England though - i.e. Scots haters. I may be wrong though. A good example is on the Royal Mile, there is a stone laid into the ground near the bottom, my Scots workmates informed me its always covered in spit as when people are out, they spit on it as an insult to the English (have heard other variations of this to do with football) I was quite insulted and after some digging politely informed them of the true history of the stone. I think the point I am trying to make is that a minority of the Scots seem to blame the English for everything from what the BBC broadcasts to how many times we mention the world cup of 66. These people could easily be wound up even further by the likes of the SNP. Look at the amount of English football supporters assaulted last year in Scotland during the world cup! Before anyone has a dig, I am by no means anti Scot but have seen first hand what in England could be classed as racism!
 

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