And the Defence Cuts begin - Typhoon slashed, more to follow

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get rid of 3/3 of our MBT's? FFS the entire REASON the US Marines were so keen on having us along in Gulf War I and Iraq was our heavy armour bolstered their lighter weight forces. SO lets get rid of them all? Pah.


Britian can afford to INCREASE the defense budget for gods sake, what is going through their mind to continually keep cutting it!


AARRGH
 
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ferox_provincia said:
Alsacien said:
ferox_provincia said:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6734604.ece
More here:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK...ofighter_Typhoon_Warplane_Order_To_Be_Halved_

Why does Sir Glenn, as chief flying person in blue, insist on commenting about helos?

Perhaps the Crabs have finally realized the game is up with their obsession on wizzy fast fighter jets to the detriment of the essential support A/C?
Its not like he can choose to spend it helos instead though is it?

I'm wondering about the economics of this, how much will the unit cost go up by? How much lost profit for British business? Redundancies?
 
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This is hardly news, we had agreed to sell the aircraft to the Saudis some time ago and dispense with the other 40 some time ago, this is merely confirmation of the contract with NETMA. Unfortunately the money we will save will not be re-invested in useful equipment, but will be written off as a saving.
 
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Alsacien said:
ferox_provincia said:
Alsacien said:
ferox_provincia said:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6734604.ece
More here:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK...ofighter_Typhoon_Warplane_Order_To_Be_Halved_

Why does Sir Glenn, as chief flying person in blue, insist on commenting about helos?

Perhaps the Crabs have finally realized the game is up with their obsession on wizzy fast fighter jets to the detriment of the essential support A/C?
Its not like he can choose to spend it helos instead though is it?

I'm wondering about the economics of this, how much will the unit cost go up by? How much lost profit for British business? Redundancies?

True, but it could be that the Crabs are finally realizing that their long range planning has to focus less on Biggles fighting of off the Beastly Hun/Red Hordes scenarios and a bit more on providing support to the Army.
 
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ferox_provincia said:
Perhaps the Crabs have finally realized the game is up with their obsession on wizzy fast fighter jets to the detriment of the essential support A/C?
Typhoon is multi-role, therefore not a wizzy fast fighter jet, but essential support a/c.
 
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That leaves 40 to flog ; who are the likely candidates for a non combat proven 60 million quid air superiority fighter in times when everybody wants slow COIN prop driven aircrafts and when there are 100s of perfectly usable second-hand F-16s on the market ?
 
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fantassin said:
That leaves 40 to flog ; who are the likely candidates for a non combat proven 60 million quid air superiority fighter in times when everybody wants slow COIN prop driven aircrafts and when there are 100s of perfectly usable second-hand F-16s on the market ?
The Swiss ;)
 
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fantassin said:
That leaves 40 to flog ; who are the likely candidates for a non combat proven 60 million quid air superiority fighter in times when everybody wants slow COIN prop driven aircrafts and when there are 100s of perfectly usable second-hand F-16s on the market ?
Japan, India, Brazil...
 
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ottar said:
ferox_provincia said:
Perhaps the Crabs have finally realized the game is up with their obsession on wizzy fast fighter jets to the detriment of the essential support A/C?
Typhoon is multi-role, therefore not a wizzy fast fighter jet, but essential support a/c.
It's evolved into a support A/C, but was originally bought as a wizzy fighter and we'll now have to spend even more updating Tranche 1 & 2 planes as we won't be getting all the full kit Tranche 3 planes planned.

Although the Typhoon is a good plane for the job, there were cheaper and probably better options that could have been bought for the ground support role. What we really needed was a newer Jaguar, something cheap, robust, not overly complex and a very good ground pounder.
 
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The problem is the global economy is in a bad way. We can’t afford to increase the defence budget as much as is needed, because the government has had to bail out all the greedy bankers! This is no shock what so ever. The Navy and RAF are going to continue to get cut. It’ll probably bite us in the arrse in years to come. But what can you do, we need to win in Afghan.
 
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ferox_provincia said:
ottar said:
ferox_provincia said:
Perhaps the Crabs have finally realized the game is up with their obsession on wizzy fast fighter jets to the detriment of the essential support A/C?
Typhoon is multi-role, therefore not a wizzy fast fighter jet, but essential support a/c.
It's evolved into a suuport A/C, but was originally bought as a wizzy fighter and we'll now have to spend even more updating Tranche 1 & 2 planes as we won't be getting all the full kit Tranche 3 planes planned.

Although the Typhhon is a good plane for the job, their were cheaper and probably better options that could have been bought for the ground support role. What we really needed was a newer Jaguar, something cheap, robust, not overly complex and a very good ground pounder.
Ah but to admit that would run in direct contradiction to years of senior Crab spin which has attempted to explain just how useful Typhoon could be as a multi role aircraft - including (apparently) ground support / FGA. Strangely, they have consistently declined to put this theory to the test by deploying it in anger. True, I have seen Typhoon screaming overhead on several occasions and very impressive it looked too. Unfortunately, all those occasions were either at Airshows or demonstrations at Crab airfields. I think it may also have appeared on Top Gear once, but even Sir Glen 'Turgid' would struggle to sell that as supporting the troops on the ground wouldn't he? Maybe things will improve once the Crabs promote an administrator or loggie to CAS? :lol: :lol:
 
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What a clever move.... The first Tranche 1 plnaes go out of service as the last Tranche 3 turns up in service, yet we're binning more Tranche 3 planes.

How mnay Fighter Squadrons for UK AD are there? How many squadrons can be deployed in the next 5 to 10 years to provide Fighter Cover to UK Land Forces? Too many people on here seem to think that because nobody has actually really had a crack at defending their airspace from us in the last 20 years we don't need to bother anymore. But do they really fancy reenacting France 1940 with NO AD whatsoever...?
 
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Strangely, they have consistently declined to put this theory to the test by deploying it in anger.
its not operational for ground attack yet. the reason you see them whizzing about is because only the trainer versions and some basic Air to Air stuff are operational.

Maybe things will improve once the Crabs promote an administrator or loggie to CAS?
would have thought the joint service squadron for the sentinel is evidence for its commitment.
 
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ferox_provincia said:
ottar said:
ferox_provincia said:
Perhaps the Crabs have finally realized the game is up with their obsession on wizzy fast fighter jets to the detriment of the essential support A/C?
Typhoon is multi-role, therefore not a wizzy fast fighter jet, but essential support a/c.
It's evolved into a suuport A/C, but was originally bought as a wizzy fighter and we'll now have to spend even more updating Tranche 1 & 2 planes as we won't be getting all the full kit Tranche 3 planes planned.
It didn't 'evolve' at all. It was designed from day one as multi-role.

Although the Typhhon is a good plane for the job, their were cheaper and probably better options that could have been bought for the ground support role. What we really needed was a newer Jaguar, something cheap, robust, not overly complex and a very good ground pounder.
We still also needed a replacement for the air-to-air role. Your suggestion would have us developing, purchasing and supporting two different aircraft, a suggestion that is neither cheaper or operationally more effective.
Next to Afghanistan is Iran. How long do you think it would be before they tried an airborne Cornwall incident if we were using a/c that couldn't defend themselves?

Ethel_the_Aardvark said:
Ah but to admit that would run in direct contradiction to years of senior Crab spin which has attempted to explain just how useful Typhoon could be as a multi role aircraft - including (apparently) ground support / FGA. Strangely, they have consistently declined to put this theory to the test by deploying it in anger. True, I have seen Typhoon screaming overhead on several occasions and very impressive it looked too. Unfortunately, all those occasions were either at Airshows or demonstrations at Crab airfields. I think it may also have appeared on Top Gear once, but even Sir Glen 'Turgid' would struggle to sell that as supporting the troops on the ground wouldn't he? Maybe things will improve once the Crabs promote an administrator or loggie to CAS?
How many threads has this been done on so far? Typhoon was worked up for its air-to-air role first because: it is the more difficult role to get right, and; it was the role that was envisaged to need replacing first. No one had a crystal ball.
Typhoon hasn't been used for CAS yet because it wasn't ready. It will be used for CAS in the near future as our thirty and forty year old airframes are almost ready to drop out of the sky.
 

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