And the Council Gravy Train keeps on chugging along

#2
The firm I work for makes thousands from the council - for simply rectifying problems that could be avoided if the council workers simply did their jobs. It's all down to budgets and who is held accountable. Too many people, way down the food chain who are allowed to dip into budgets with impunity.
The same goes for the NHS and Primary Care Trusts - except on a much more massive scale.
 
#4
The same goes for the NHS and Primary Care Trusts - except on a much more massive scale.
Oh yes. While the amounts involved were small I came across an excellent example of this while working for a PCT.

A manager (who just by chance came from Nigeria, but that's by-the-by) was in charge of one of these outreach projects looking after a minority community (no, Outrage-Heads, not Muslims on this occasion). He completely failed to understand that I could not just release cash to him to hand straight on to the "community leaders" without some form of accountability.

All sorts of excuses were used like how it was culturally difficult to get receipts, or how names and addresses could not be released because the "community" was very insular and did not trust a government agency to hold their details. The manager, despite being quite senior, also thought I would be stupid enough not to spot that he was putting through large volumes of petty cash requests at just below the level needed for audit or approval...

So let's get this straight. He wanted money to procure health outcomes with no review of how the cash was to be spent or recording of the outcomes. Interesting concept.


Edit to add:

I also had concerns about the numbers of iPods, PS3s & the like being bought as prizes (bribes) for people taking part in various healthcare initiatives such as Chlamidia Screening (no, this is not a new member of the TOWIE cast, it's pissing in a bottle). There were lots of legit receipts for the things being bought, but not so many for the things being handed out...
 
#5
thats just the start

BBC News - Kent council criticised over £24m in tobacco shares


Kent County Council (KCC) has been criticised for investing nearly £24m in four tobacco firms as part of its pension fund portfolio
If it means I get a better pension after TC Brown raped the old system, I'd be happy if the trustees invested in Zyklon B, and machetes for Rwanda.

Money is like soldiers, it doesn't matter where it comes from. How many of the people whinging about it would be prepared to take a drop in income to have baccy banned from the UK? Not many I'd wager.
 
#6
County Council (KCC) has been criticised for investing nearly £24m in four tobacco firms as part of its pension fund portfolio
Good. Glad it's invested in something used the world over which will always make returns rather than some wishy-washy "ethical investment" which rips off poor farmers overseas to keep the Wa-Benzi in flash motors & liberals over here in a state of moral superiority so intesnse they almost pop.

BTW, are you please with yourself for bringing tobacco over here & indirectly contributing to my 20-a-day Marlboro habit?
 
#7
#9
Smoke, smoke and keep smoking. You pay lots of tax on ciggies and I approve of that.

Ex smoker, smug as ****.

Could you please call for a non smoking bullock cart for me? Thanks awfully.
 
#11
As far as I can deduce it, it is simply a question of supply and demand, the Council demands, i.e Council Tax, and we, we being the payers, well we simply supply the loot, QED, what they do with all their larcenous gains is deemed "Not in the public interest" to know about or is covered by the Data Protection Act, so, just sit back and enjoy the show, oh and dont forget to pay on time.
 
#12
And once again, Scotland leads the way: City of Edinburgh Council have pissed away close to £1 Billion on a Trams system the vast majority of people did'nt want.

Chef, let me know what price your council are charging for Zyklon B. I might finally have found a use for that abortion of a Parliament building...:twisted:
 
#13
And once again, Scotland leads the way: City of Edinburgh Council have pissed away close to £1 Billion on a Trams system the vast majority of people did'nt want.

Chef, let me know what price your council are charging for Zyklon B. I might finally have found a use for that abortion of a Parliament building...:twisted:
I whole heartedly support this line of enquirey!
 
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Tremaine

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#14
I remember being invited to a Help for Heroes House/Garden Party (large Devon city) a couple of years back, attended by mostly council office types. A good enough gesture, they raised a few bob and at least they did something for the charity. Not so good were the lardy council mouthy types, swilling beer congratulating themselves for being local council and "better to be on the inside pissin out than t'other way round". "Fcuking punters down the Centre today, do my head in". And interesting how the system seems to run on friends-of, family, and old boys/girls network.

Tw@ts... to the last desk jockey, and oh so PC reciting their (issued?) scripts in public .-)
 
#15
Much as I tend to dislike petty minded, power hungry councils, I've a couple of points to make:

a) In the private sector, the CEO of an organisation of several thousand people would expect to be paid 6 figures and I don't see why councils should be any different. There are very few people capable of leading a council, which means we've little choice but to pay them well. The alternative is to employ somebody less talented for less money, but this might cost substantially more in the long run. Don't forget that good management is about saving money and getting more done for less.

b) It's daft to blame council execs for being well paid or trying to become better paid. If indeed they are overpaid (i.e. earning more than they're worth), it's the system that's at fault - and the people who operate that system who need to be brought to account.
 
#16
Much as I tend to dislike petty minded, power hungry councils, I've a couple of points to make:

a) In the private sector, the CEO of an organisation of several thousand people would expect to be paid 6 figures and I don't see why councils should be any different. There are very few people capable of leading a council, which means we've little choice but to pay them well. The alternative is to employ somebody less talented for less money, but this might cost substantially more in the long run. Don't forget that good management is about saving money and getting more done for less.

b) It's daft to blame council execs for being well paid or trying to become better paid. If indeed they are overpaid (i.e. earning more than they're worth), it's the system that's at fault - and the people who operate that system who need to be brought to account.
In the private sector, a CEO of an organisation of several thousand would be expected to make a profit. There is no such pressure on the leader of a council; they can piss money away and still squeeze the tax payers until the pips squeek. I'd love to tell CEC, "You've wasted nearly a Billion quid on the Trams, so jog on - I'm not paying any more Council Tax!" Unfortunatly, none of us has that option.

Leaving aside Police, Emergency Services and the Armed Forces, the vast majority of Public Sector workers would not survive in the real world.
 
#17
Much as I tend to dislike petty minded, power hungry councils, I've a couple of points to make:

a) In the private sector, the CEO of an organisation of several thousand people would expect to be paid 6 figures and I don't see why councils should be any different. There are very few people capable of leading a council, which means we've little choice but to pay them well. The alternative is to employ somebody less talented for less money, but this might cost substantially more in the long run. Don't forget that good management is about saving money and getting more done for less.

b) It's daft to blame council execs for being well paid or trying to become better paid. If indeed they are overpaid (i.e. earning more than they're worth), it's the system that's at fault - and the people who operate that system who need to be brought to account.

Spending someone else's money is very easy, especially when there is so little recourse. Sharon Shoesmith is an example but she just****ed about with lives, as well as a six figure salary.
Can you imagine either in the private sector or the army. Everyone from the CO down has been made well aware the pte X is a liability and will kill someone. It's been reported 10's of times and investigations carried out, yet those in charge do nothing. Can you imagine the shitstorm that would create, but it doesn't see to apply to certain areas of the Public sector
 

Wordsmith

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#18
a) In the private sector, the CEO of an organisation of several thousand people would expect to be paid 6 figures and I don't see why councils should be any different. There are very few people capable of leading a council, which means we've little choice but to pay them well. The alternative is to employ somebody less talented for less money, but this might cost substantially more in the long run. Don't forget that good management is about saving money and getting more done for less.
But they're not the CEO of a commercial company. CEO's of commercial companies operate in a competitive market where they have to constantly innovate, develop new products, improve efficiency, improve quality, etc. Chief Executives of councils deliver services. Their income is guaranteed by central government, they do not suffer competition, there are no alternative markets for many services that council tax payers can turn to, Chief Executive rarely get sacked for poor performance and quality of council services appears to be constantly falling. The almost invariable response to most of these highly paid executives to cuts in funding from central government is to cut services. Few (in any) of these highly paid chief executives have sat down and worked out how to deliver comparable services for less money. And if they're highly paid that's what the should be doing. (Some councils have managed to deliver comparable services for less money - so it can be done).
b) It's daft to blame council execs for being well paid or trying to become better paid. If indeed they are overpaid (i.e. earning more than they're worth), it's the system that's at fault - and the people who operate that system who need to be brought to account.
I quote from the telegraph editorial.
Given the way these salaries have risen in step in recent years, it is hard to avoid the conclusion that a cartel operation is in place when it comes to the appointment and remuneration of senior council executives, one that leaves the ordinary councillor – and therefore the elector – with very little say in the matter. The recruitment of senior council officials is frequently handled by Solace Enterprises, an arm of the Society of Local Authority Chief Executives (Solace). In other words, council chief executives are helping to hire each other and set each other's salaries. Such mutual back-scratching may be all very cosy for the chief executives but is wholly unacceptable. It is time the people who pay their salaries had a say in the process.
I'm afraid the lunatics are in charge of the asylum. Councils should openly advertise jobs without the involvement of Solace - then we'll see what a market salary is. I'm betting you can get decent Chief Executives far cheaper via open advertising than using a company with a vested interest in keeping salaries high. Wordsmith
 
#19
Their income is guaranteed by central government, they do not suffer competition, there are no alternative markets for many services that council tax payers can turn to, Chief Executive rarely get sacked for poor performance and quality of council services appears to be constantly falling.
Or they often move on, having received a large payoff for loss of earnings, breach of contract etc & then pop up at another council or on an NHS Trust Board before the ink is dry on the cheques.

Pound to a pinch of snuff "Call-Me-Arndrea" is back on the gravy train before Christmas, along with that poisonous waste of rations Shoesmith.
 

jarrod248

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#20
Or they often move on, having received a large payoff for loss of earnings, breach of contract etc & then pop up at another council or on an NHS Trust Board before the ink is dry on the cheques.

Pound to a pinch of snuff "Call-Me-Arndrea" is back on the gravy train before Christmas, along with that poisonous waste of rations Shoesmith.
Aye and it doesn't matter how shite they are. Choo choo gravy train.
 

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