and so it begins...

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  1. From the Telegraph today:

    Animal welfare Bill 'threatens anglers and gamekeepers'
    By George Jones, Political Editor
    (Filed: 09/12/2004)

    Anglers and commercial fishermen could risk prosecution for cruelty under Government plans to improve animal welfare protection, a Commons committee warned yesterday.

    It also called for more consultation with animal welfare groups on whether greater protection should be given to the 20 million pheasants and partridges reared each year for shoots.

    About 40 per cent of pheasants reared for hunting get shot
    About 40 per cent get shot, but the Commons Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee challenged the Government's view that there was "little concern generally" about the welfare of game birds.

    The draft Animal Welfare Bill was published in July this year and will be introduced in the current session of Parliament. It updates more than 20 pieces of animal welfare legislation in England and Wales and imposes on those who own or are responsible for animals a duty of care to ensure the creatures' welfare.

    The cross-party committee said the draft raised many important and complex issues which must be resolved before a final Bill was introduced to Parliament. They recommended 101 changes to the legislation.

    The MPs said they considered that as the Bill was drafted there was a strong argument that a person catching a fish, either commercially or for recreation, could be liable to prosecution for cruelty, because of mutilation from hooks or nets.

    "We doubt the Government's position that the draft Bill would be unlikely to have any impact on traditional fishing or angling practices," the report said.

    The committee said it accepted that neither commercial fishing nor recreational angling should be covered by the Bill. Fishing should be exempted as an activity, rather than fish as a species.

    But the Government should ensure that those who caught fish were not given a free reign to inflict unnecessary suffering.

    The Bill defines "animal" to mean all vertebrates and the report raised the possibility that boiling crabs or lobsters could be outlawed unless they were stunned before cooking.

    It called on the Government to reassess whether there were reasonable grounds to believe, on the basis of scientific evidence, that octupus, crabs, lobsters and crayfish had the capacity to experience pain, suffering, distress or lasting harm.

    "While this assessment is being undertaken, a code of practice should be issued giving details of humane ways in which crabs and lobsters should be stunned prior to cooking," it said.

    The Government has given repeated assurances that the ban on hunting with dogs will not be extended to other sports such as shooting.

    But the report shows the committee was concerned by criticism from animal welfare groups of current game bird rearing practices including beak trimming and burning, and the fitting of bits, masks and spectacles.

    "We consider that gamekeepers should be required to try other methods first before resorting to these practices, as currently appears to be the requirement in relation to tail docking piglets," the report said.

    The MPs voiced concern that the Government intended the cruelty offence to apply only to deliberate infliction of unnecessary suffering, excluding unnecessary suffering which arises as a result of neglect.

    This would appear to downgrade existing legal protections, and could significantly weaken the current law on the abandonment of animals.

    The committee also suggested that docking dogs' tails for cosmetic reasons should be banned, but permitted for therapeutic reasons.

    All animal sanctuaries should be required to be licensed, regardless of their size.

    They also advised that regulations for performing animals should distinguish between the use of wild animals and domesticated animals in circuses, with a view to prohibiting the use of the former.

    Greyhound racing tracks should be subject to a licensing regime as soon as possible.

    The most serious animal welfare offences should result in an automatic disqualification order.

    The MPs also said the environment department should undertake consultation and research on electronic shock collars and perimeter fence devices.

    Sorry to raise this issue again but given the government's pledges during the Hunting debate I believe this comes under the definition of hypocracy.

    Shooting and fishing to be legislated out of existance and the countryside left without its traditional managers. What really concerns me is the level of influence that the animal rights lobby, a body of opinion with only limited national support, appears to have over the democratically elected government.
  2. Slaughterhouses will be next, we'll be forced to become stick thin ginger vegetarians until Linda McCartney gets dug up for crimes against Quorn.
  3. One way to ' humanely ' stun crabs and lobsters would be to show them pictures of the idiots who sit in parliament and dream up this stuff..

    then again.. making them view photos of these ******* mights be deemed cruel and unusual punishment to crustaceans...

    I'm all for being nice and providing comfy surroundings to birds before blasting them to sh!t with a shotgun...can't say the same thing for politicians, though...
  4. And still they do nothing about the inhumane halal and kosher methods of slaughter...

    If I was not aware that this is yet another Neue Arbeit ploy to buy votes from the another we-know-we're-a-minority-but-we-will-impose-our-beliefs group, I would be amazed that the government can even think of wasting resources on this sort of nonsense rather than tackle any of the following:

    - gun crime

    - drug trafficking

    - human traficking

    - illegal immigration

    - bogus asylum seekers
  5. Except for certain "religious" ones :?
  6. Sounds about right, I think I'll become muslim just to afford myself a few more basic rights and freedoms, sigh.
  7. Well, I hope the Quislings at BASC etc. and the various angling associations are happy with themselves. They all kept pretty quiet during the hunting debate, smugly confident that NuLab would stick to its "hands off shooting and fishing" word. I bet their starting to feel a little worried. Mind you, having seen the mess that coarse anglers make of fishes mouthes I'm not overly surprised.

    There is a proverb to cover this, it starts:
  8. chimera

    chimera LE Moderator

    Did we expect anything else? Mind you there is less of a flagrant Class War issue here so I guess that the urban Labour majority will show less interest.
  9. I thought they already took all the guns away from you children??? :D
  10. dont tell me they're gonna ban hunting with jews aswell!!!!!!
  11. Species Species!!

    BAH! there are hundreds of thousands of SPECIES of fish!


    Ba*tard Fish split at the class level where they join the Actinopterygii (bony fish, ) Elasmobranchii (dogfish, skates and rays) or crossopterygii (lung fish)

    They occupy the same superclass as we do (Gnathostomata)

    Fcuking 'Species' Tw*t

    little bugbear of mine, get your Classification right!

    Sorry I'll get me coat, and go back to my little techie hole under the stairs :lol:
  12. Cutaway

    Cutaway LE Reviewer

    Once again the lunatics slither forward with the divide & conquer strategy.

    Many people, on hearing something that they'd forewarned about coming to fruition preface their comments with their phrase:
    "I don't like to say I told you so but......"

    I'm the opposite, I normally love to say "I told you so !"
    However in this case......

  13. Bloody Media don't know their arrse from, well anything:

    "The Bill defines "animal" to mean all vertebrates and the report raised the possibility that boiling crabs or lobsters could be outlawed unless they were stunned before cooking."

    Lobsters,crabs etc. are Crustacea & NOT vertebrates.
  14. All these laws are made by tofu eating mincers who have nothing better to think about. They should all throw themselves off a cliff or something, save us the pain of having to listen to their bullsh*t............

    Oh yeah, I actually find the clubbing baby seals quite soothing. Skin all the fluffy little bastards I say!!!!!!! Stick that up your arse animal welfare tossers........haha............. :wink:
  15. Not yet, old boy; still got a few bundooks in the cupboard....
    .....But for how long I know not.

    B*stards! :evil: :evil: :evil: