Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by dui-lai, Jun 1, 2005.
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Dutch say pissh off
It gets better and better
Well done the Dutch, you could always trust them to speak the truth...
As pleased as I am (along with millions of others) that the Dutch and French have done the right thing, I've still got the sneaking suspicion that all the unsavoury bits of this sh*te Constitution will be introduced "peu a peu" via the back door. We're not out of the woods yet!
You have to like a country that eats chips and frit sauce.
And smoke weed and not look like a leper/chav/crim/dosser/tory party member
Well done Holland. A nice "Up yours Eurocrats"
What I find interesting is that everyone has a different but equally valid (from their own POV) reason for rejecting the treaty. Too left for us, too right for the French and not liberal enough for the Dutch (probably too liberal for someone else). The whole idea of one set of (fairly detailed) rules for all these disparate countries is finaly being shown as invalid.
The Europhiles say the present situation can't work with 25 members, why not? Is it perhaps because their desire for ever greater meddling becomes more difficult to accomplish?
the dutch know that a constitution sets out the rights you get in exchange for giving up your right to use lethal force to the state. smart (tall, porn guzzling dope heded cheeze eating lager popping) orangemen
if they wanted a united europe they should have left hitler to it,seriously,good luck to the dutch,great friendly people
i love em too. hitler had 'europe will win' as a slogan hanging from the walls in conquered cities, long before the eurocrats dreameed up their nonsense
Bloody rollocks. I live here in the 'Dam and the smart cloggies are completely pizzt off with the vote. Seriously, yesterday was Herring day (tip head back and swallow) and today was the vote. All the managers were pro europe and all the workers were anti. Its an intelligence thing.. Euro is the way forwards nationalism is for the people that have fck all else. Anyone that is anti europe is pro Murdoch and anyone that is anti murdoch is anti american. weakness dammit weakness.
Here's a thought. Just how many European rules are there? How many 'directives' have been formulated in the entire bloated, 25 nation, multi-language, corpulent superstate? Directives that decide the detail of the daily lives of hundreds of millions of people, directives that decide what they eat, when they work and what they wear.
Now ask yourself, when did a single European citizen ever vote on any of those rules?
The Eurocrats have become complacent. So much water has flowed under the European bridge, so much power has incrementally been shifted to Brussels, that they forgot about the people. The people became an irrelevance, they were never consulted, were voiceless and powerless. What harm then in token referenda about the Constitition? The people will surely do as they are told, as supinely as they have for the past thirty years..
These 'No' Votes are not votes against the Constitution because most Europeans don't understand the detail of it anyway. These 'No' Votes are the people of Europe having a say on the Union for the first time ever.
That is the true scandal.
yeah. whatever. do you know the demographics of the vote? Cos it'll screw your argument good'n'proper.
Turnout = 62.8%, pending some postal ballots
Christian Democrats (CDA), largest government party, plus coalition partners VVD and D66
Labour (PVDA) and Green Left opposition parties
Right-wing Pim Fortuyn party
ChristienUnie and SGP, Christian parties
It appears that arrogance was a big reason for it.
"The message from France and the Netherlands is that they are unhappy with the way Europe is being built," says Michiel van Hulten, a leader of the Better Europe foundation and a former MEP.
"People are unhappy with the fact that Europe is a project of the elite, not the ordinary people.
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Ho ho ho. Mr. Happy, like most Euro-Loons, JUST CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
Anything that doesn't go their meddling/ centralizing/ domineering/ undemocratic way must be an abberation by a gullible, bone-headed electorate who shouldn't be trusted with a vote.
Watch if they'd won it by a fraction of a percent: it would have been "a defining victory for the European Project" and a "Vindication of our shared European Destiny."
The EU dreamt up by the old men who grew up in the ruins of WW2 and implemented by totally unaccountable elites (Mandelson, Patten, The Kinnocks...are these really the people you want to be in political bed with?) is deader than a dead thing with a knife sticking out of it's head. Deal with it.
Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!
Its interesting that those in favour of the constitution accuse those who voted no of not understanding the issues. Is the same also true in Spain where the population is in favour, or do the Spainish have some special insight that the rest of us don't have?
I understand what the constitution is about, and I'm against it. i don't want Euro institutions and thier powers to be defined the way laid out in the constitution. I don't want any Euro instutions, beyond a standing conference wher they hash out free trade issues, and I don't want them to have any power at all.
I'm reasoanbly in favour of a Free Trade area, but I don't see why it should be limited to Festung Europa.
I'd rather be a member of NAFTA or the Commonwealth or both.
Its odd that the 2 richest European countries are not members of the EU.
I don't find it all that reassuring that big business and the bosses are in favour of the constution.
I must say that its bloody decent of the Dutch PM to say that he is prepared to respect the result of the referendum. Its a bit of a novelty in euro politics.
So Vive la France! and Well done the Dutch! (Sorry I don't know any Dutch, but in my experience they speak better English than the majority a Brits)
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