and now Kipling gets the Rhodes treatment.

That'll be the poverty involving a three week break in the US in April, an upcoming couple of weeks in Germany (courtesy of USAF), with a side visit to Poland, followed by a month in the US I take it?
I'll admit next year will be hard, with two trips to the US, a plains game hunt in SA & a month in Australia (the latter dependent on hunting/firearms permits) but I'll manage to muddle through.
I'm thinking the battlefields of Vietnam for 2020 (plus the usual 6 or 8 weeks in the US) and a driving tour of the Northampton Yeomanry's trail from Normandy to the Rhine.
It's a bugger being short of readies, so I can sympathise (to a small extent) with your chippy attitude & innate jealousy aimed towards your betters.

Never mind: MaccyD's might make you a crew chief one of these years...
Yeah - don’t worry you might not have to rely on work for trips one day if you ever get slightly out of the poverty curve.

I genuinely am giggling at the idea you just posted that to try and show off :rofl::party::applaud:

Why don’t you post a picture of one of your tragic salads fat boy?


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Yeah - don’t worry you might not have to rely on work for trips one day if you ever get slightly out of the poverty curve.

I genuinely am giggling at the idea you just posted that to try and show off :rofl::party::applaud:

Why don’t you post a picture of one of your tragic salads fat boy?
Oh look; fuckwit central has resorted to ad hom's, as his bolleaux is no defence.

Have a nice photo of the view I had the other day to soothe your fevered (or rather; overheated) brow:

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Drunk again?

No such thing as offensive or not offensive - it’s a nonsense to suggest otherwise.

I’m afraid ‘Gibson’ marks you as both a racist and a coward. Why not just use the word you mean?
Are you working with some type of device for blind as you will find the remarks about offensive were made by another poster, I appologise if you are blind,drunk, colour blind ha ha ha, _ _ _ _ _ _ _, fill in the blanks for another excuse. Oh maybe you are deaf or you identify as man in a white girls body even though a black unich.
 
To be honest, I am surprised the mods haven’t sent this thread to the hole or made it disappear completely.
A sibling thread did vanish a few days ago

Whilst there's a few posts on here latterly that the thread could lose - It would be a shame to lose the thread in its entirety.

If nothing else its a good highlight of miscommunication - Consider myself and Widow - He mistook my counter opinion as telling him what his opinion should be and I had no right to an opinion - I felt he was putting words in my mouth and misrepresenting me.

A short spat later and I think its fair to say its not what either person was trying to say no harm no foul.
 

Fang_Farrier

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Back on track, it must confuse the objectors somewhat as Kipling was quite ready to say the females were more than a match for their male counterparts.

When the Himalayan peasant meets the he-bear in his pride,
He shouts to scare the monster, who will often turn aside.
But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

When Nag the basking cobra hears the careless foot of man,
He will sometimes wriggle sideways and avoid it if he can.
But his mate makes no such motion where she camps beside the trail.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

When the early Jesuit fathers preached to Hurons and Choctaws,
They prayed to be delivered from the vengeance of the squaws.
'Twas the women, not the warriors, turned those stark enthusiasts pale.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

Man's timid heart is bursting with the things he must not say,
For the Woman that God gave him isn't his to give away;
But when hunter meets with husband, each confirms the other's tale --
The female of the species is more deadly than the male.

Man, a bear in most relations-worm and savage otherwise, --
Man propounds negotiations, Man accepts the compromise.
Very rarely will he squarely push the logic of a fact
To its ultimate conclusion in unmitigated act.

Fear, or foolishness, impels him, ere he lay the wicked low,
To concede some form of trial even to his fiercest foe.
Mirth obscene diverts his anger --- Doubt and Pity oft perplex
Him in dealing with an issue -- to the scandal of The Sex!

But the Woman that God gave him, every fibre of her frame
Proves her launched for one sole issue, armed and engined for the same;
And to serve that single issue, lest the generations fail,
The female of the species must be deadlier than the male.

She who faces Death by torture for each life beneath her breast
May not deal in doubt or pity -- must not swerve for fact or jest.
These be purely male diversions -- not in these her honour dwells.
She the Other Law we live by, is that Law and nothing else.

She can bring no more to living than the powers that make her great
As the Mother of the Infant and the Mistress of the Mate.
And when Babe and Man are lacking and she strides unclaimed to claim
Her right as femme (and baron), her equipment is the same.

She is wedded to convictions -- in default of grosser ties;
Her contentions are her children, Heaven help him who denies! --
He will meet no suave discussion, but the instant, white-hot, wild,
Wakened female of the species warring as for spouse and child.

Unprovoked and awful charges -- even so the she-bear fights,
Speech that drips, corrodes, and poisons -- even so the cobra bites,
Scientific vivisection of one nerve till it is raw
And the victim writhes in anguish -- like the Jesuit with the squaw!

So it cames that Man, the coward, when he gathers to confer
With his fellow-braves in council, dare not leave a place for her
Where, at war with Life and Conscience, he uplifts his erring hands
To some God of Abstract Justice -- which no woman understands.

And Man knows it! Knows, moreover, that the Woman that God gave him
Must command but may not govern -- shall enthral but not enslave him.
And She knows, because She warns him, and Her instincts never fail,
That the Female of Her Species is more deadly than the Male.
 

Fang_Farrier

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A sibling thread did vanish a few days ago

Whilst there's a few posts on here latterly that the thread could lose - It would be a shame to lose the thread in its entirety.

If nothing else its a good highlight of miscommunication - Consider myself and Widow - He mistook my counter opinion as telling him what his opinion should be and I had no right to an opinion - I felt he was putting words in my mouth and misrepresenting me.

A short spat later and I think its fair to say its not what either person was trying to say no harm no foul.
Perhaps this couplet from a famous poem may help.

If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
 
Come on now mate - I haven’t tried to set my self up as an arbiter of what is and isn’t racist. I have offered my perspective.

I have called people racist - based on what I have perceived to be racist posts.

Please look up irony in the dictionary.

"...I haven't...set myself up as an arbiter...."
" I have called people racist-based on what I have perceived......"

You are either an embittered person of colour, which I don't believe, or on a wind up.
Either way, your contradictory dribbling is tedious.
I cannot be bothered with you (on this thread) anymore. The last word is yours.
 
What is your experience of a modern university? Obviously you wouldn't be projecting your vague stereotypes of lefty academics and "what everyone knows, it stands to reason, a bloke in a pub told me" onto a whole sector of education without any evidence.
Well..

I have obtained a masters in law (MLaw) which is an accelerated two-year, full-time postgraduate degree in law.

The MLaw is recognised by the Law Society and the Bar Council as a qualifying law degree for practice in Northern Ireland, England and Wales.

To complete the degree I required a total of 300 CATS . Twelve modules (20 CATS each) must be taken and a dissertation (60 CATS) must be completed.

So I have benefited from university level education rather recently prior to speaking to this man down the pub.
 
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Are you working with some type of device for blind as you will find the remarks about offensive were made by another poster, I appologise if you are blind,drunk, colour blind ha ha ha, _ _ _ _ _ _ _, fill in the blanks for another excuse. Oh maybe you are deaf or you identify as man in a white girls body even though a black unich.
@widow11 I used to think @NI-EX-MEDIC was a drunk poster however I have established that he really is just incredibly stupid.

Look at that quote.. it’s littered with grammatical and spelling errors, indicating that @NI-EX-MEDIC has no knowledge of basic punctuation, and is logically incoherent. I would put his IQ well below 75.
I felt insulted by having to read it and formulate some sort of reply. It was almost impossible to do so, because I could not make sense of what he was really trying to say – or ask. The only sensible reply would have been to ask the little walter to go back to school, or ask an adult to compose the post instead.
 
There are many, many smart people who do not have degrees; and there are many, many idiots who do. To me, the vast majority of degrees indicate nothing, other than that the holder spent a period at university.
 
Back on track, it must confuse the objectors somewhat as Kipling was quite ready to say the females were more than a match for their male counterparts.

When the Himalayan peasant meets the he-bear in his pride,
He shouts to scare the monster, who will often turn aside.
But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

When Nag the basking cobra hears the careless foot of man,
He will sometimes wriggle sideways and avoid it if he can.
But his mate makes no such motion where she camps beside the trail.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

When the early Jesuit fathers preached to Hurons and Choctaws,
They prayed to be delivered from the vengeance of the squaws.
'Twas the women, not the warriors, turned those stark enthusiasts pale.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

Man's timid heart is bursting with the things he must not say,
For the Woman that God gave him isn't his to give away;
But when hunter meets with husband, each confirms the other's tale --
The female of the species is more deadly than the male.

Man, a bear in most relations-worm and savage otherwise, --
Man propounds negotiations, Man accepts the compromise.
Very rarely will he squarely push the logic of a fact
To its ultimate conclusion in unmitigated act.

Fear, or foolishness, impels him, ere he lay the wicked low,
To concede some form of trial even to his fiercest foe.
Mirth obscene diverts his anger --- Doubt and Pity oft perplex
Him in dealing with an issue -- to the scandal of The Sex!

But the Woman that God gave him, every fibre of her frame
Proves her launched for one sole issue, armed and engined for the same;
And to serve that single issue, lest the generations fail,
The female of the species must be deadlier than the male.

She who faces Death by torture for each life beneath her breast
May not deal in doubt or pity -- must not swerve for fact or jest.
These be purely male diversions -- not in these her honour dwells.
She the Other Law we live by, is that Law and nothing else.

She can bring no more to living than the powers that make her great
As the Mother of the Infant and the Mistress of the Mate.
And when Babe and Man are lacking and she strides unclaimed to claim
Her right as femme (and baron), her equipment is the same.

She is wedded to convictions -- in default of grosser ties;
Her contentions are her children, Heaven help him who denies! --
He will meet no suave discussion, but the instant, white-hot, wild,
Wakened female of the species warring as for spouse and child.

Unprovoked and awful charges -- even so the she-bear fights,
Speech that drips, corrodes, and poisons -- even so the cobra bites,
Scientific vivisection of one nerve till it is raw
And the victim writhes in anguish -- like the Jesuit with the squaw!

So it cames that Man, the coward, when he gathers to confer
With his fellow-braves in council, dare not leave a place for her
Where, at war with Life and Conscience, he uplifts his erring hands
To some God of Abstract Justice -- which no woman understands.

And Man knows it! Knows, moreover, that the Woman that God gave him
Must command but may not govern -- shall enthral but not enslave him.
And She knows, because She warns him, and Her instincts never fail,
That the Female of Her Species is more deadly than the Male.
I believe that some have tried to point out that Kipling was indeed often complimentary to those who might be perceived to be a minority or disadvantaged, albeit using the parlance of the period. The poem Gunga Din being cited as an example.
 
Those students whe defaced the Kipling poem, have they been arrested for causing criminal damage?

After all, they've been on TV making full and frank admissions of guilt to the offence.
 
Well.. So I have benefited from a university level education rather recently prior to speaking to this man down the pub.

Bless you for trying though.
Sorry, I assumed you were one of the 'I went through education 30 years ago and know everything' brigade.

My apologies.
 
Those students whe defaced the Kipling poem, have they been arrested for causing criminal damage?
Probably not. We tend not to arrest people for doing things that aren't crimes and an organisation's elected officers replacing one artwork with another on that organisation's property isn't a crime.

The Student's Union - whose property it is - have the ultimate decision on whether it is or isn't appropriate behaviour on their property and they seem to have come down on the side of 'is'.
 

ancienturion

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To be honest, I am surprised the mods haven’t sent this thread to the hole or made it disappear completely.
Whether the mods play or not it is time for me to put the silly Widow11 thing on Ignore. At least it will make the thread a little more interesting.
 

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