And how is your MSQ to-day?

#1
From the Sunday Times, it looks like Freddie is sticking to is pledge to improve soldiers quarters:

General in ‘slum’ homes row had house makeover
Dipesh Gadher

The Ministry of Defence faced a new row this weekend over slum housing for service families after it emerged that it paid for a makeover at the official residence of the general in charge of army accommodation.

Taxpayers’ money was also used to buy a £2,000 tractor mower to keep the grounds of the property in pristine condition.

The MoD has paid for Lieutenant-General Sir Freddie Viggers, the adjutant-general responsible for army welfare and personnel, to have a gardener and a full-time domestic assistant. It has also spent almost £2,700 on tableware for official entertaining.

While many soldiers and their families live in squalid accommodation and are forced to wait for months for repairs, the MoD has lavished more than £13,000 of public money on the upkeep of Viggers’s home in Wiltshire, including almost £1,900 for an ornamental fence.

The revelation is embarrassing for Viggers after he publicly championed the service families’ cause and railed against the army’s “poor” housing stock earlier this year.

A record 197,441 complaints were made about the condition of military homes last year. Soldiers and their families have been left without hot water for weeks because of faulty boilers and have endured leaking roofs, cracked walls, damp and rat infestations.

Some have been housed in decaying prefabricated buildings that were only intended as a short-term fix to accommodation shortages after the second world war.

Last night Kevan Jones, a Labour member of the Commons defence select committee, accused Viggers and other military top brass of “living high on the hog”.

“There are four generals alone whose housing costs came to more than £500,000 last year,” said Jones, who uncovered the figures through a series of parliamentary written questions.

Patrick Mercer, the Tory MP and former army officer, said: “It’s particularly ironic that when the junior ranks’ families are living in such difficult conditions that so much taxpayers’ money has been spent on putting the adjutant-general’s own house in order.”

In March the National Audit Office, the spending watchdog, claimed that 19,000 family homes for troops — 40% of the total — were substandard. Yet only 900 are to be upgraded each year.

At the height of the row, Viggers said: “There is still too much accommodation which is of a poor standard. It’s one of the key issues for me in what we call the military covenant — giving our soldiers and their families what they deserve. ”

The MoD paid a maintenance bill of £13,284 for Viggers’s grace-and-favour residence in 2005-06, the latest year for which figures are available. The MoD denied that the general had received preferential treatment. It added: “Official service residences allow the entertaining of senior figures and people of influence in society, in a secure environment, in order to enhance defence objectives.”
 
#2
The Mail on Sunday reports that the A-G has spent £15000 on a make over for his housing including £2600 on a new dinner service. How can he warrant this kind of expenditure when so many serving personnel and their families are living in sub standard accommodation.
List of items:-
tractor lawnmower - £2090
dinner service - £2600
power shower - £334
family size microwave - £800
new garden fence - £3000
 
#3
Shut up.
 
#4
I got sh*t stained broken toilet seats no running water for the bath or shower curtain. Also a fully old greased up and dirty cooker on my march in of my latest MQ. Well done modern housing solutions :evil: :evil:
 
#5
saintstone said:
The Mail on Sunday reports that the A-G has spent £15000 on a make over for his housing including £2600 on a new dinner service. How can he warrant this kind of expenditure when so many serving personnel and their families are living in sub standard accommodation.
List of items:-
tractor lawnmower - £2090
dinner service - £2600
power shower - £334
family size microwave - £800
new garden fence - £3000
Ahhh it was in The Mail so it must be true.
If he paid for these luxuries out of his own wages then it's noone's business but his.
If he knowingly paid for these luxuries out of taxpayers money then he is just another lowlife shite with no moral compass.
If it's just another innacurate story (and this would be my guess and my hope) then The Mail are deserving of a mass boycotting
 
#6
....and I don't think for one minute that this information has been spread by someone loyal to Neu Arbeit to pay him back for complaining about the poor state of accomodation.
 
#7
This was the same in 2000 when the then GOC of UKSC(G) had a complete quarter re-vamp, new kitchen with mod cons etc whilst the majority of ORs accom was squalor and had been for several years. The top brass are just the same as our politicians - all with their noses in the RHIP trough!!
 
#8
The way the government treats our Service men and women is appalling. It has money to throw away on chav's who've not done a days work in their life, but not to house those who've put there life on the line for a pittance.

TFA
 
#9
western said:
Last night Kevan Jones, a Labour member of the Commons defence select committee, accused Viggers and other military top brass of “living high on the hog”.
I can't help thinking thisis a party-political smokescreen to cover up the failure of the current government to do anything about service housing. Mr Jones probably has far more control over the conditions of service housing than Lt Gen Viggers does, yet decides to play the old class-warfare trick of pointing out someone living in nice conditions and blaming them for everything.
 
#10
pdf27 said:
western said:
Last night Kevan Jones, a Labour member of the Commons defence select committee, accused Viggers and other military top brass of “living high on the hog”.
I can't help thinking thisis a party-political smokescreen to cover up the failure of the current government to do anything about service housing. Mr Jones probably has far more control over the conditions of service housing than Lt Gen Viggers does, yet decides to play the old class-warfare trick of pointing out someone living in nice conditions and blaming them for everything.
I agree. Gen Viggers would have been in the queue for this work along with everybody else. Gen Viggers is entitled to a larger house (and at least it is only ONE house, unlike Mr Prescott etc) than most in the Services, and a larger house will always cost more money to maintain.

Non-story generated by a Liarbour apparatchik.

Litotes
 
#11
I wonder if he was one of the 197,441 complainants :lol:

www.thesun.co.uk/artic...23,00.html

ARMED forces slum housing notched up a record 197,441 complaints, it was revealed yesterday.

The toll over the last year is more than four moans for each of the 44,000 decaying military homes.

In January alone as many as half of service residents reported a range of problems, lodging 23,623 protests with the MoD.

A substantial chunk are about ageing boilers that pack up, leaving young families without heating or hot water. Some families have spent 12 weeks without a boiler, often while their men fight in Iraq or Afghanistan.

The figures were unearthed by the Lib Dems, whose defence spokesman Nick Harvey MP said: “Our forces’ accommodation is a national disgrace.

“A soldier who has just braved Iraq or Afghanistan should not have to spend hours on the phone to an anonymous call centre trying to get his boiler fixed.

“The Government demands a lot of our troops and repays them with dreadful accommodation

Many problems have been blamed on a contractor hired by the MoD to fix forces’ houses.Modern Housing Solutions got 8,779 complaints about their service in the past year.

One forces house was burnt down by a serious fire due to recently installed faulty wiring.

Last December former top soldier General Sir Mike Jackson branded conditions “frankly, shaming”. And a Sun investigation found many estates are rat-infested and riddled with damp due to years of neglect.

An MoD spokeswoman said last night: “Some housing is not good enough, which is why we are spending £5billion over ten years to fix it. We have also acknowledged problems with the maintenance service — but the situation here is improving too.”
 
#13
Check the thread in Charities and Welfare for more opinions, " A-G gets house make-over"
 
#15
Furryturd said:
....and I don't think for one minute that this information has been spread by someone loyal to Neu Arbeit to pay him back for complaining about the poor state of accomodation.
Kevan Jones MP, Labour member on the Commons Defence Select Committee to be exact - who having at least some responsibility for funding is far more to blame for the current state of service housing than Lt Gen Viggers ever will be...
 
#17
However, I am seething so I will answer it...

This is a non-story by the Mail spread by a NuLabour acolyte.

Gen Viggers has one quarter commensurate with his position (unlike some Labour Ministers who have two or more houses on the company). It needs maintenance (the bigger the quarter, the more the maintenance)and that is what is being turned into a story.

I have no doubt that Gen Viggers was not involved in the decision to spend the money on the quarter precisely because he knew something like this would happen.

Litotes
 
#18
Threads merged.
 
#19
Have just done a bit of reserach on Hansard etc. It seems that this MP has asked nearly 50 parliamentary questions on this and related subjects. I wonder how much that cost in time and effort? I also wonder whether this MP, as a member of the House of Commons Defence Select Committee, had spent that amount of time and effort in trying to get the Government to improve MSQ, then perhaps we would all be better off.
 
#20
I can go one better - here is the detailed breakdown of costs as listed in Hansard (shock horror, I've just revealed the journalists sources!)

Mr. Kevan Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence pursuant to the answer of 20 March 2007, Official Report, columns 749-50W, on Army costs, what the reasons were for the amount spent on maintenance of rented property occupied by the Adjutant General; and if he will break down the costs incurred for that maintenance. [129990]

Derek Twigg [holding answer 26 March 2007]: The figure of £13,284,44 previously provided under the generic heading “maintenance” covered a range of costs including the supply of replacement equipment; redecoration; rectification of faults; and the supply and erection of garden fencing. A breakdown follows:

Description of maintenance Cost (£)
Redecoration
863

Renew trellis fence panel
39

Repair leak to cast iron stack pipe
24

Supply and erect chicken wire fence
1,150

Supply and deliver 12.5lts of supa-stadia pitch marker
17

Supply and fit hooks and white PVC coated metal chain fitted to wooden posts
1,890

Reposition and upgrade radiator wall stats
35

Remove wooden casement around hand basin and bring hand basin back into working order. Check any electrics, and make good any decoration
538

Decorations to the study and kitchen/utility room
491

Clear blockage to toilet pan
43

Renew electric shower
334

Patch repair paper to wall and repair paintwork
28

Refix gate handle to wooden gate
6

Repair to shower
82

Renew mortise lock and furniture
75

Renew shelf to inside of door to built in fridge
50

Clear blockage to toilet pan
154


3 May 2007 : Column 1851W
Refit carpet to stairs
29

Fit family size microwave oven
230

Locate/rectify fault to security lights
28

Clean carpet
25

Renew electric cooker
576

Rectifying faults to dishwasher
47

Replace dishwasher
336

Redecorate all walls after repairs
200

Smoke test chimney
29

Work following recommendations on chimney flue
195

Fit trickle vents to new PVC windows
130

Locate boiler fault and repair
210

Replace washing machine door gasket
62

Renew fluorescent light fitting
52

Ease and adjust doors
52

Renew brick paving-sand
41

Minor furniture and equipment costs
402

Purchase of tractor mower to replace beyond economical repair item
2,090

Purchase of tableware
2,686
 

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