An interesting viewpoint - The Pursuit of Racial Amity (in the US)

#1
Amity Seems to be Running Faster than We Are

“One of the nice things about reality is that it is what it is, no matter what anybody says it is.”—the eminent philosopher James Morris

(The following is the opinion of Fred Reed, a former US Marine, writer and iconoclast whose freethinking is symptomatic of the maturity of US democracy - in my opinion. See what you make of it; remembering of course that it is an American's view of an American situation).

Pondering the smoking ruins of American racial policy, I wonder whether it isn’t time to say publicly what many, if not most, of both races know: It isn’t working. It isn’t going to work. If it were, it would have. If it were working, we would not need the unending laws to force the races together when they don’t want to be together. If people wanted diversity, it would happen without compulsion..

The hope that black and white would mingle amicably if only segregation were dismantled relied on a peculiarly American inattention to life and history, and on a belief that people will behave as we want them to, instead of how they observably do behave. Human nature remains human nature, no matter how hard one holds one’s breath and turns blue.

It is not an easy thing that we try to do. Frequently, far smaller disparities than those between black and white lead to bloody conflict. Catholics and Protestants, Shia and Sunni, Jew and Christian are often virtually indistinguishable, yet share a history of internecine butchery of each other. Is there anywhere an example of two groups so large and utterly different as blacks and whites successfully merging?

Despite our best imaginings, race is far more than skin deep. The races differ wildly in culture, appearance, attitudes, views of each other, language, musical taste, dress, attitudes toward law, education, family, and the role of government.

Much of what blacks believe about whites is almost psychotic. Exceptions and degrees, yes, but the centerline remains.

Over and over one hears blacks asserting that that we whites invented AIDS to kill off blacks, that we put substances in soft drinks to make black men impotent ("Honest, Latanya, them damn white folks put something in my Gatorade."), and that we flood the ghetto with drugs to destroy black society. We are, blacks repeatedly insist, incorrigible racists determined to hold blacks down. Discrimination, “racial profiling,” police brutality, and “institutional racism” are, they say, the irremediable bedrock of the white soul. The Trayvon Martin case, blacks say, shows that it is open season for whites to kill young black males. Black after black says the only solution is to kill whites.

By contrast, to many whites the last sixty years have seen a desperate attempt to find something, anything, that would raise blacks to the intellectual, cultural, and economic standards of the First World. Nine white men passed Brown vs. the School Board, white federal marshals and white troops enforced the decision, an overwhelmingly white congress enacted the civil-rights acts of the Sixties, and still supports the endless welfare programs on which so many blacks depend. We censor ourselves savagely to avoid offending blaqcks. Even mild criticism of racial behavior is a firing offense.

Nothing is enough. We change the color of Santa, remove the Confederate flag, admit blacks to historically white schools for which they are not remotely qualified, and pay untold millions to settle suits over discrimination based on the inability of blacks to meet the standards applied to whites. It doesn’t work. The complaints never end.

We have tried desegregation, integration, mixed classrooms, Section Eight, AFDC, Head Start, affirmative action, quotas, Black History Day (or is it month?), laws against “hate crimes” by whites, outlawing of IQ tests by employers, on and on. It hasn’t worked. Nothing suggests that it will. The chasm appears intractable.

What if it isn’t working because it can’t? What do we do?

Note that our racial policy is in a sense anti-black: aimed at making blacks into dark-skinned whites who study, talk, act, and think like us—to get them to speak white English, wear suits, and adopt the cultural norms of whites.

Yet there is little evidence that blacks want to turn white. In fact they do much that is intended to maintain, or at any rate has the effect of maintaining, their separateness. Thus Keyshawn and Latoya instead of Robert and Carol. Thus Ebonics: Blacks could learn normal English if they chose, if only by imitating whites on television, but that would make them almost white. (In France and Mexico, for example, blacks speak the national language normally.) Black high-schoolers accuse their fellows who study of “acting white.” Blacks speak contemptuously of “oreos” and Uncle Toms.

Whites have no more desire to be black than blacks do to be white. This attachment of each race to its culture impossibilizes assimilation.

Things can seem to be working better than they are. Most whites see only bleached blacks, those in business clothes speaking perfect English on television. Few see the huge black urban ghettoes, hermetically isolated from the rest of the country. You can spend eight hours in these regions in a police car—I have, many times—and never see a Caucasian face. The ghettoes amount to a different country, a different civilization, in distributed enclaves. Assimilation before the heat death of the sun isn’t going to happen.

If you look at what people do instead of what they say, you will note that the races do not want to associate, and indeed don’t much like each other. For example in Washington, where I lived for many years, the races coexisted in compulsory amity at work but then went to separate neighborhoods, bars, and restaurants. When blacks wearied of the (black, actually) violence of the city, they moved to Prince Georges County in Maryland, heavily black; whites went to Fairfax Country, Virginia, almost all white. Black kids in white universities want black-only fraternities and living quarters. When whites threaten by gentrification to become a majority in black regions, like Washington itself, blacks hate it.

And now we have the Knockout Game of explicitly racial attacks by gangs of blacks, often leaving the victims crippled or dead. The media hide the occurrence of these assaults, the police (who know better) deny that they are racial, and the federal goverrnment deliberately does nothing. This is a dangerous game. It is interesting that a sober, conservative, black intellectual like Thomas Sowell sees a race war—his words, and worth reading, looming. See also Walter Williams.

Maybe a little less togetherness would better preserve the peace. The Supreme Court once said irrationally that “separate is inherently unequal.” Why? Men and women have separate public bathrooms. Is this unequal? We have sports teams separate by sex. Inherently unequal? Should we force sexual integration of sports? Jews and Catholics have schools intended to preserve theilr cultures, and it doesn't seem to have brought the Republic down.

So then, why do we keep trying to compel a togetherheid that no one seems to want? Why not let the races manage their own affairs as they see fit? For instance, we might organize the schools by culture instead of race. As a white man, I want my children to go to a culturally white school, meaning one that stresses real academics, requires good English and what I regard as civilized dress, and demands good comportment. No social promotion, affirmative action, or toleration of seriously bad behavior. Such blacks students as chose to meet these standards would be welcome--but they woulod have to meet them.

This would result in something close to de facto segregation by race. So what? It would also end complaints by blacks of discrimination in grades, discipline, and so on, since they would be running their own schools, and whites would no longer complain of the dumbing down of courses and the inability to maintain their standards of language and behavior. If by law all schools received the same funding, none would be at a disadvantage.

It is worth a thought, methinks: comity at arms length.. What we are doing isn’t working. Violence grows. Sooner or later there will be an explosion.and, perhaps, a conflict from which the country will never recover.
 
#2
Maturity of democracy? It is poorly disguised discrimination. That last paragraph is undisguised racism, indicating that blacks are inherently less intelligent. If If wasn't on my iPad, where it is such an effort to type at length I would severely rip into this piece of white trash by white trash.


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#4
And he fact that he 'verged' and adjective is not a surprise but very annoying: impossibilises? Get a grip.


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#5
I skimmed the article. If I got the jist right the author want's to bring Apartheid to the States.

Well that worked well in Suid Afrika.

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#8
I skimmed the article. If I got the jist right the author want's to bring Apartheid to the States.

Well that worked well in Suid Afrika.

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No, don't think so. He has usually bitched about the failure our the various groups to achieve a common American outlook. If he's arguing for apartheid is he doing so for a good reason - in that environment?
 
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#9
Amity Seems to be Running Faster than We Are

“One of the nice things about reality is that it is what it is, no matter what anybody says it is.”—the eminent philosopher James Morris

(The following is the opinion of Fred Reed, a former US Marine, writer and iconoclast whose freethinking is symptomatic of the maturity of US democracy - in my opinion. See what you make of it; remembering of course that it is an American's view of an American situation).

Pondering the smoking ruins of American racial policy, I wonder whether it isn’t time to say publicly what many, if not most, of both races know: It isn’t working. It isn’t going to work. If it were, it would have. If it were working, we would not need the unending laws to force the races together when they don’t want to be together. If people wanted diversity, it would happen without compulsion..

The hope that black and white would mingle amicably if only segregation were dismantled relied on a peculiarly American inattention to life and history, and on a belief that people will behave as we want them to, instead of how they observably do behave. Human nature remains human nature, no matter how hard one holds one’s breath and turns blue.

It is not an easy thing that we try to do. Frequently, far smaller disparities than those between black and white lead to bloody conflict. Catholics and Protestants, Shia and Sunni, Jew and Christian are often virtually indistinguishable, yet share a history of internecine butchery of each other. Is there anywhere an example of two groups so large and utterly different as blacks and whites successfully merging?

Despite our best imaginings, race is far more than skin deep. The races differ wildly in culture, appearance, attitudes, views of each other, language, musical taste, dress, attitudes toward law, education, family, and the role of government.

Much of what blacks believe about whites is almost psychotic. Exceptions and degrees, yes, but the centerline remains.

Over and over one hears blacks asserting that that we whites invented AIDS to kill off blacks, that we put substances in soft drinks to make black men impotent ("Honest, Latanya, them damn white folks put something in my Gatorade."), and that we flood the ghetto with drugs to destroy black society. We are, blacks repeatedly insist, incorrigible racists determined to hold blacks down. Discrimination, “racial profiling,” police brutality, and “institutional racism” are, they say, the irremediable bedrock of the white soul. The Trayvon Martin case, blacks say, shows that it is open season for whites to kill young black males. Black after black says the only solution is to kill whites.

By contrast, to many whites the last sixty years have seen a desperate attempt to find something, anything, that would raise blacks to the intellectual, cultural, and economic standards of the First World. Nine white men passed Brown vs. the School Board, white federal marshals and white troops enforced the decision, an overwhelmingly white congress enacted the civil-rights acts of the Sixties, and still supports the endless welfare programs on which so many blacks depend. We censor ourselves savagely to avoid offending blaqcks. Even mild criticism of racial behavior is a firing offense.

Nothing is enough. We change the color of Santa, remove the Confederate flag, admit blacks to historically white schools for which they are not remotely qualified, and pay untold millions to settle suits over discrimination based on the inability of blacks to meet the standards applied to whites. It doesn’t work. The complaints never end.

We have tried desegregation, integration, mixed classrooms, Section Eight, AFDC, Head Start, affirmative action, quotas, Black History Day (or is it month?), laws against “hate crimes” by whites, outlawing of IQ tests by employers, on and on. It hasn’t worked. Nothing suggests that it will. The chasm appears intractable.

What if it isn’t working because it can’t? What do we do?

Note that our racial policy is in a sense anti-black: aimed at making blacks into dark-skinned whites who study, talk, act, and think like us—to get them to speak white English, wear suits, and adopt the cultural norms of whites.

Yet there is little evidence that blacks want to turn white. In fact they do much that is intended to maintain, or at any rate has the effect of maintaining, their separateness. Thus Keyshawn and Latoya instead of Robert and Carol. Thus Ebonics: Blacks could learn normal English if they chose, if only by imitating whites on television, but that would make them almost white. (In France and Mexico, for example, blacks speak the national language normally.) Black high-schoolers accuse their fellows who study of “acting white.” Blacks speak contemptuously of “oreos” and Uncle Toms.

Whites have no more desire to be black than blacks do to be white. This attachment of each race to its culture impossibilizes assimilation.

Things can seem to be working better than they are. Most whites see only bleached blacks, those in business clothes speaking perfect English on television. Few see the huge black urban ghettoes, hermetically isolated from the rest of the country. You can spend eight hours in these regions in a police car—I have, many times—and never see a Caucasian face. The ghettoes amount to a different country, a different civilization, in distributed enclaves. Assimilation before the heat death of the sun isn’t going to happen.

If you look at what people do instead of what they say, you will note that the races do not want to associate, and indeed don’t much like each other. For example in Washington, where I lived for many years, the races coexisted in compulsory amity at work but then went to separate neighborhoods, bars, and restaurants. When blacks wearied of the (black, actually) violence of the city, they moved to Prince Georges County in Maryland, heavily black; whites went to Fairfax Country, Virginia, almost all white. Black kids in white universities want black-only fraternities and living quarters. When whites threaten by gentrification to become a majority in black regions, like Washington itself, blacks hate it.

And now we have the Knockout Game of explicitly racial attacks by gangs of blacks, often leaving the victims crippled or dead. The media hide the occurrence of these assaults, the police (who know better) deny that they are racial, and the federal goverrnment deliberately does nothing. This is a dangerous game. It is interesting that a sober, conservative, black intellectual like Thomas Sowell sees a race war—his words, and worth reading, looming. See also Walter Williams.

Maybe a little less togetherness would better preserve the peace. The Supreme Court once said irrationally that “separate is inherently unequal.” Why? Men and women have separate public bathrooms. Is this unequal? We have sports teams separate by sex. Inherently unequal? Should we force sexual integration of sports? Jews and Catholics have schools intended to preserve theilr cultures, and it doesn't seem to have brought the Republic down.

So then, why do we keep trying to compel a togetherheid that no one seems to want? Why not let the races manage their own affairs as they see fit? For instance, we might organize the schools by culture instead of race. As a white man, I want my children to go to a culturally white school, meaning one that stresses real academics, requires good English and what I regard as civilized dress, and demands good comportment. No social promotion, affirmative action, or toleration of seriously bad behavior. Such blacks students as chose to meet these standards would be welcome--but they woulod have to meet them.

This would result in something close to de facto segregation by race. So what? It would also end complaints by blacks of discrimination in grades, discipline, and so on, since they would be running their own schools, and whites would no longer complain of the dumbing down of courses and the inability to maintain their standards of language and behavior. If by law all schools received the same funding, none would be at a disadvantage.

It is worth a thought, methinks: comity at arms length.. What we are doing isn’t working. Violence grows. Sooner or later there will be an explosion.and, perhaps, a conflict from which the country will never recover.
The answer is inter racial baby making! I am mixed race and raised by white folk! No idea where I fit in and very happy with that!
 
#10
I skimmed the article. If I got the jist right the author want's to bring Apartheid to the States.

Well that worked well in Suid Afrika.

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He seems to believe that America's blacks want apartheid as well.

All told, it's rather confused and internally inconsistent piece. At one point he says, "Despite our best imaginings, race is far more than skin deep" then goes on to use examples of culture to 'prove' it (bizarrely, he seems to think that beliefs about the role of government are a racial characteristic) and later disproves himself by stating, "In France and Mexico, for example, blacks speak the national language normally."
 
#11
Oi. I'm on the iPad too but can communicate reasonably well. Work at it.
You probably don't have two dogs and a daughter vying for your attention. He is essentially advocating 'ghettoising' the country again. He states that blacks are less intelligent and we shouldn't force intelligence on them, but if they happen to make it to the same levels of the white folk then they can join in with us.


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#12
I am on the iPad too, they are awesome!

He may have said some off things, however people are severely naive if you think different races will happily co-exist in present day USA, UK, etc just because there is positive discrimination (extra handouts, one sector can slaughter animals (halal, , employment law, etc). You cannot escape that some sectors of our community (and theirs), do not want to play by the rules.

Quite what the rules are now I am buggered if I know, it is just clear that people (separated by age, race, tribe, caste...blah blah...) are not playing by the same rules.
 
#13
Didn't someone once have a dream about this ?

its not black and white you know... its tolerant and intolerant.
Yes, actually I think it might be. Black, white etc, but in that country, with all of its history. I'm in a country where it really doesn't seem to matter very much, and where the 'tolerance' argument is pretty dead. Very refreshing - reality, not political virtual reality. I was wondering how the US reader on this site might take that article.
 
#14
Some US blacks do have amazing chips on their shoulders though,one complained to me about the cover on my menu when I had a Cafe´and said it was racist,FFS it´s not even a darkie just a guy looking over a wall at night!I asked him what he did for a living,he was a Captain in the US army and hated racism because of his `Slave forefathers´blah blah.
`So If your great great great grandfather hadn´t have been a slave then you would still be in Africa eating bananas,are you pissed off about that?´He didn´t like that much so I just told him I was Welsh and the his lot picked cotton in the fresh air and mine worked underground digging coal 6 days a week,get over it and drink your coffee.He was quite friendly after that but it does surprise me that they think they´re unique in `their´ suffering of over a hundred years ago,the Irish are the same,I just tell them that they should be glad that they only had to pick tatties.If you were poor you got shit on irrespective of what colour you were or which Country you lived in.Just a pity we weren´t all born colour blind?
The guy writing that trash should get on a Tube train in London and watch kids of all colours and nationalities playing and joking with each other,it´s the adults who fcuk it all up with their prejudice so it´s not natural or inborn just growing up around the wrong people really?
 
#15
Maturity of democracy? It is poorly disguised discrimination. That last paragraph is undisguised racism, indicating that blacks are inherently less intelligent. If If wasn't on my iPad, where it is such an effort to type at length I would severely rip into this piece of white trash by white trash.


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Some comments and commentators are so predictable.
 
#19
I skimmed the article. If I got the jist right the author want's to bring Apartheid to the States.

Well that worked well in Suid Afrika.

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Skimming an article is fine.

Skimming an article and forming an opinion is poor.

Skimming an article and posting your POV is ******* piss poor.
 
#20
The guy writing that trash should get on a Tube train in London and watch kids of all colours and nationalities playing and joking with each other,it´s the adults who fcuk it all up with their prejudice so it´s not natural or inborn just growing up around the wrong people really?
Nelson Mandela couldn't have put it more eloquently.
 

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