An explosion of disbelief - FRESH doubts over 9/11

[frenchperson]

Here's an interesting article, in the Daily Mail of all places. Don't ever accuse them of being slow on the uptake. In September, it will be 6 years and counting...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...ews.html?in_article_id=435265&in_page_id=1811

EDITED TO ADD:
The poll title should read WAS IT A CONSPIRACY BY THE U.S.??

 

[Nehustan]

It was obviously a conspiracy one way or another. For example anyone who knew about the act (whoever) is guilty of at least conspiracy to, if not the actual act of, murder.

 

[Cabarfeidh]

Loose Change = loose screws in wee tiny brains.....even OBL has admitted to this so why try and claim it was Bush? Some people (and the anti American Daily Mail) are beyond words.

 

[frenchperson]

Who's claiming it was Bush?

That's even more ridiculous than the claim that OBL did it!

 

[RUCFOREVER]

Yes it was a cospiracy, between a number of AQ terrorists.

 

[GDav]

Straight away, and picking up on one thing only, I doubt this report.

It states that "The official version is that the buildings collapsed because their steel columns were melted by the heat from the fuel fires of the two crashed planes. "

This isn't true. The official version is that the twin towers collapsed because the hangars which supported the floors were weakened by the impact and subsequent fire. When one floor fell onto the weakened one below it too gave way and a domino effect followed with three or four floors slamming into the undamaged floors below. The weight of the collapse was more than the buildings were designed to take and each collapsed like a pack of cards as a result.

Slo-mo footage of the collapse of each tower confirms this.

 

[frenchperson]

Straight away, and picking up on one thing only, I doubt this report.

It states that "The official version is that the buildings collapsed because their steel columns were melted by the heat from the fuel fires of the two crashed planes. "

This isn't true. The official version is that the twin towers collapsed because the hangars which supported the floors were weakened by the impact and subsequent fire. When one floor fell onto the weakened one below it too gave way and a domino effect followed with three or four floors slamming into the undamaged floors below. The weight of the collapse was more than the buildings were designed to take and each collapsed like a pack of cards as a result.

Slo-mo footage of the collapse of each tower confirms this.

Cheers GDav. I'd have to say I find that a bit confusing.

a. Because the 'domino' or pancake effect has been officially discounted by the US.

b. The discounting happened after some bright spark pointed out that the top bits reached the bottom at or close to the speed of gravity, making the pancake effect impossible. The laws of physics tell us there would have been a marked slowing as it collapsed. To fit with the pancake theory and collapse at a uniform (which it did) or accelerated rate would have been impossible.

 

[GDav]

Straight away, and picking up on one thing only, I doubt this report.

It states that "The official version is that the buildings collapsed because their steel columns were melted by the heat from the fuel fires of the two crashed planes. "

This isn't true. The official version is that the twin towers collapsed because the hangars which supported the floors were weakened by the impact and subsequent fire. When one floor fell onto the weakened one below it too gave way and a domino effect followed with three or four floors slamming into the undamaged floors below. The weight of the collapse was more than the buildings were designed to take and each collapsed like a pack of cards as a result.

Slo-mo footage of the collapse of each tower confirms this.

Cheers GDav. I'd have to say I find that a bit confusing.

a. Because the 'domino' or pancake effect has been officially discounted by the US.

b. The discounting happened after some bright spark pointed out that the top bits reached the bottom at or close to the speed of gravity, making the pancake effect impossible. The laws of physics tell us there would have been a marked slowing as it collapsed. To fit with the pancake theory and collapse at a uniform (which it did) or accelerated rate would have been impossible.

I can't argue the techicalities because I don't have the knowledge but I do know I have read the official report at some point in the past (as a result of another one of these threads) and that is what it states. Having then seen reports on TV which show the 'pancaking' effect in slo-mo I would have to say that I agree with it.

It's my opinion of course - nothing more.

 

[CRmeansCeilingReached]

i love these conspiracy theories.

okay, to anyone out there who believes the one about the cruise missile / small jet / woman on flying carpet being responsible for the hole in the pentagon... and who claims that it was not the hijacked plane, which was tracked by air traffic control right into the overhead, before beginning a spiral descent...



if the hijacked plane didn't crash into the pentagon, where did it go? don't say "i don't know" - come up with a theory, no matter how outlandish, for what happened to it.



so i can laugh at you for being so foolish as to believe this pile of horseshit

 

[Random_Task]

A recent poll by the respected New York Times revealed that three out of four Americans now suspect the U.S. government of not telling the truth about 9/11

And what percentage of Americans believe they've been abducted by aliens?

 

[GDav]

americans also believe they have better dental care than us - don't believe it, it's a fallacy.

 

[Seadog]

Here is one of the conspiracy movement's 'engineering' heroes being interviewed about one of the more far out theories. There is a bit of an on message intro followed by a long but big on unintentional comedy show. Ironically, as far as I can tell, this is an example of the 'truth' movement eating itself. This woman has a PhD in an engineering discipline.

Judy Wood

 

[mark1234]

Here is one of the conspiracy movement's 'engineering' heroes being interviewed about one of the more far out theories. There is a bit of an on message intro followed by a long but big on unintentional comedy show. Ironically, as far as I can tell, this is an example of the 'truth' movement eating itself. This woman has a PhD in an engineering discipline.

Judy Wood

Shes mad as a box of frogs, quite sad really.

She can barely speak, does she really have a PhD?

 

[CRmeansCeilingReached]

my god, what a retard.

 

[lanky]

From the article in the Mail:

"Nearly 3,000 ordinary, decent Americans die in the attacks"

Mmm... weren't there several Brits there, as well as many other nationalities??

 

[mark1234]

my god, what a retard.

Of course, conspiracy theorists being conspiracy theorists will argue that she was a government plant to descredit the truth movement.

 

[Rocketeer]

9/11 the Twin Towers.. the conspiracy that will never die... didn't we disparage Frenchmong and SLurboy over this for some 90+ pages before?

Geez, Louise..
It was the fusion bombs planted by Dick Cheney's Haliburton minions to instigate a war in which he could reap obscene profits [ now borne out by the fact that $ 12 billion in US dollars ' mysteriously disappeared ' into unknown pockets in Iraq ] that was the cause of it all.. Mohammed Atta and the other 18 are all basking on some tropical island under assumed names with a portion of these funds to keep them in harem girls until they are in their 90's...
Did no one read the book???
Web of Deciet: The History of Western Complicity in Iraq from Churchill to Kennedy to George W Bush by Barry Lando [ available on Amazon.com just to show you sthat ' dissent' isn't being suppressed by the Gobmint - to quote a regular poster here ]

it's all so tawdry.. I feel so dirty...well.. time for another beer...

 

[FlakeShag]

Does anyone remember WTC 7 collapsing for no apparent reason, the building housed a CIA center and an FBI center.

Bush is known for takeing power at the lives of others. Look at JFK's son, he died and Bush was elected in 1999.

 

[GDav]

Does anyone remember WTC 7 collapsing for no apparent reason, the building housed a CIA center and an FBI center.

Bush is known for takeing power at the lives of others. Look at JFK's son, he died and Bush was elected in 1999.

I've seen the footage of WTC 7 collapsing and it's (again) very obvious why it does so after the collateral and fire damage it sustained.

 

[frenchperson]

From the article in the Mail:

"Nearly 3,000 ordinary, decent Americans die in the attacks"

Mmm... weren't there several Brits there, as well as many other nationalities??

You're right. It's typical lazy journalism from the Mail. They've also omitted to mention:

World Trade Center 7 which collapsed at freefall speed, though no plane crashed into it.

Larry Silverstein's (owner of the lease for the buildings) billion dollar insurance payment, secured with a policy drafted weeks before the incident, with a special 'terrorism' clause.

The impossibility of safely and economically removing the hazardous asbestos in the 3 buildings.

Still, it's progress of a sort.