An example of idiocy at its finest...

#1
A lovely interview with a 'climate change protestor' at Heathrow:

Anne Notley, of West Sussex, also came along for the day.

"I feel that middle-class professional people have to make a stand because we are among the worst culprits. I have been a culprit too," she said.

After many years of flying while running her own business and taking overseas holidays, she has now decided to travel only by land and sea.

"We were going to fly to Greece to adopt two dogs but now we have decided to take a driving trip instead.

"It's not much but I'm making a change."
Yes, you are, aren't you, love? Errr, but perhaps not quite in the way you intended:

Carbon emissions by aircraft:

Return flight for 2 from Heath row to Greece: 904 kgs of CO2.

(Link: Flight emissions calculator)

Road journey by car - let's assume, as a middle-class professional who has run her own business, and is an eco-twat, that she's driving a green volvo diesel estate... The government taxes this at 209 gms/kilometer of CO2 emissions....

(Link: Govt emissions values)

The RAC's route planner gives a shortest route from London to Athens as 3111 km. So that's a round trip of 6000 km, more or less...

(link: RAC planner)

6000 times 209 = 1,254 kgs of CO2.

Brilliant, you stupid, intellectually lazy, bandwagon leaping upon cow. By swallowing this bollcoks hook, line and sinker without doing 10 minutes research at a basic level, you have actually made the situation worse, by over 25%, not better, and given moral support to the other breast beating fools who prefer self-flagellation to hard fact and difficult decisions.

(Edit - and, of course, that's without factoring in the additional carbon emissions of the channel ferry or the chunnel train)
 
#3
The clue that the woman's a lunatic with no ability to reason is indicated not by the bandwagon-jumping, but by her statement that she was going to go all the way to Greece to "adopt" two dogs...
 
#4
The clue that the woman's a lunatic with no ability to reason is indicated not by the bandwagon-jumping, but by her statement that she was going to go all the way to Greece to "adopt" two dogs...
Damn - I should have spotted that - good point... :lol:
 
#7
What I do not get is why are they allowed to trespass and ruin private property? Does the right of assembly trump the protection of private property?

If there is something to protest about, it is about the way heathrow is run! That is a protest I would support.
 
#10
Also interesting that the BBC parrot her viewpoint without picking up on its inherent logical fallacy: Good impartial and factual reportage there, then..
 
#12
botfeckid said:
A lovely interview with a 'climate change protestor' at Heathrow:

Anne Notley, of West Sussex, also came along for the day.

"I feel that middle-class professional people have to make a stand because we are among the worst culprits. I have been a culprit too," she said.

After many years of flying while running her own business and taking overseas holidays, she has now decided to travel only by land and sea.

"We were going to fly to Greece to adopt two dogs but now we have decided to take a driving trip instead.

"It's not much but I'm making a change."
Yes, you are, aren't you, love? Errr, but perhaps not quite in the way you intended:

Carbon emissions by aircraft:

Return flight for 2 from Heath row to Greece: 904 kgs of CO2.

(Link: Flight emissions calculator)

Road journey by car - let's assume, as a middle-class professional who has run her own business, and is an eco-t**t, that she's driving a green volvo diesel estate... The government taxes this at 209 gms/kilometer of CO2 emissions....

(Link: Govt emissions values)

The RAC's route planner gives a shortest route from London to Athens as 3111 km. So that's a round trip of 6000 km, more or less...

(link: RAC planner)

6000 times 209 = 1,254 kgs of CO2.

Brilliant, you stupid, intellectually lazy, bandwagon leaping upon cow. By swallowing this bollcoks hook, line and sinker without doing 10 minutes research at a basic level, you have actually made the situation worse, by over 25%, not better, and given moral support to the other breast beating fools who prefer self-flagellation to hard fact and difficult decisions.

(Edit - and, of course, that's without factoring in the additional carbon emissions of the channel ferry or the chunnel train)
In Your quote, Ms Notley said she was going on "a driving trip". She didn't say she was going to Greece on a driving trip, she didn't say she was going to get two rescue dogs on I driving trip. They were just going on a driving trip - who knows to where.

I have no truck with these people and if they break the law then they should be willing to pay the price, but inventing things in the way You invented that She drove a volvo isn't helping to create a decent arguement.
 
#13
Sven, don't be silly.

He did not make up the Volvo thing as a point of pure fiction but decided through due process that this was the type of vehicle she would be driving. It would after all not be a battery operated car would it?

Also, re-reading what she said:

"We were going to fly to Greece to adopt two dogs but now we have decided to take a driving trip instead.
It is easy again to presume as she is talking about the two items in the same sentence that instead of flying she is now driving. Otherwise why would she be quoted as saying so?
 
#14
I have no truck with these people and if they break the law then they should be willing to pay the price, but inventing things in the way You invented that She drove a volvo isn't helping to create a decent arguement.

Quite right Sven, she could be driving one of those eco friendly Honda's (prious or something like that), you know the one's that actually cost about £10k more than they sell them for, thanks to an eco subsidy lol! :eek:
 

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#15
botfeckid said:
A lovely interview with a 'climate change protestor' at Heathrow:

Anne Notley, of West Sussex, also came along for the day.

"I feel that middle-class professional people have to make a stand because we are among the worst culprits. I have been a culprit too," she said.

After many years of flying while running her own business and taking overseas holidays, she has now decided to travel only by land and sea.

"We were going to fly to Greece to adopt two dogs but now we have decided to take a driving trip instead.

"It's not much but I'm making a change."
Yes, you are, aren't you, love? Errr, but perhaps not quite in the way you intended:

Carbon emissions by aircraft:

Return flight for 2 from Heath row to Greece: 904 kgs of CO2.

(Link: Flight emissions calculator)

Road journey by car - let's assume, as a middle-class professional who has run her own business, and is an eco-t**t, that she's driving a green volvo diesel estate... The government taxes this at 209 gms/kilometer of CO2 emissions....

(Link: Govt emissions values)

The RAC's route planner gives a shortest route from London to Athens as 3111 km. So that's a round trip of 6000 km, more or less...

(link: RAC planner)

6000 times 209 = 1,254 kgs of CO2.

Brilliant, you stupid, intellectually lazy, bandwagon leaping upon cow. By swallowing this bollcoks hook, line and sinker without doing 10 minutes research at a basic level, you have actually made the situation worse, by over 25%, not better, and given moral support to the other breast beating fools who prefer self-flagellation to hard fact and difficult decisions.

(Edit - and, of course, that's without factoring in the additional carbon emissions of the channel ferry or the chunnel train)

By taking the car -Train(Chunnel) - Ferry (to Greece) botfeckid estimated 1254 kgs of CO2.
We agree that, this however is only for the car not the large diesel engine in the train or the probebly lowly maintained Greek ferry
But what silly green b0llacks (not botfeckid) has not worked out is that this is not instead of the aircraft journey it's in addittion to the aircraft
Unless she was going by private jet that aircraft will be sheduled and will take of even if there is only half a load on it
So she has doubled the carbon emmisions far from saving the planet she is hurrying up it's destruction
Given that :
A) all the mongs at this protest will have got there by Bus, plane,rail or other means
B)The police desended on the camp in there hundreds all in vans, cars and probabley had a helicopter up monitering it
C) The media turned up mob handed with vans,cars,helicopters,outside broadcast trucks,generators to power there satalite dishes to broadcast
They must have doubled Heathrows carbon footprint - in the name of reducing carbon footprints
With fukcwits like this trying to save us were doooomed ah tell you doooooooooomed :D
 
#16
botfeckid said:
A lovely interview with a 'climate change protestor' at Heathrow:

Anne Notley, of West Sussex, also came along for the day.

"I feel that middle-class professional people have to make a stand because we are among the worst culprits. I have been a culprit too," she said.

After many years of flying while running her own business and taking overseas holidays, she has now decided to travel only by land and sea.

"We were going to fly to Greece to adopt two dogs but now we have decided to take a driving trip instead.

"It's not much but I'm making a change."
Yes, you are, aren't you, love? Errr, but perhaps not quite in the way you intended:

Carbon emissions by aircraft:

Return flight for 2 from Heath row to Greece: 904 kgs of CO2.

(Link: Flight emissions calculator)

Road journey by car - let's assume, as a middle-class professional who has run her own business, and is an eco-t**t, that she's driving a green volvo diesel estate... The government taxes this at 209 gms/kilometer of CO2 emissions....

(Link: Govt emissions values)

The RAC's route planner gives a shortest route from London to Athens as 3111 km. So that's a round trip of 6000 km, more or less...

(link: RAC planner)

6000 times 209 = 1,254 kgs of CO2.

Brilliant, you stupid, intellectually lazy, bandwagon leaping upon cow. By swallowing this bollcoks hook, line and sinker without doing 10 minutes research at a basic level, you have actually made the situation worse, by over 25%, not better, and given moral support to the other breast beating fools who prefer self-flagellation to hard fact and difficult decisions.

(Edit - and, of course, that's without factoring in the additional carbon emissions of the channel ferry or the chunnel train)
Not to mention that the plane will be going anyway, with or without her and those 900 or so Kgs of CO2 will transport quite a lot of people unlike her shitty old volvo with its 5 seats.
 
#17
but inventing things in the way You invented that She drove a volvo isn't helping to create a decent arguement.
Sven, that was purely illustrative. Pick your own vehicle -although, I'd suggest that if you are a middle aged type of - by your own admission - the 'professional middle-classes' - you're unlikely to drive to Greece, pick up two scabby hounds, and return, in anything less than an estate. I'm not fussed. Choose a wagon, plug in the figures in the link provided, and I would suggest that even if you claim it's reasonable to bring the blasted quadrupeds back on the roof of a Smart car, you'll not shift the equation to actually favour driving over Air travel in any meaningful way.

It creates a perfectly decent argument, unless you are so unable to look outside your world view that you'll seize any point you can to rubbish a perfectly valid observation - to wit, driving is not significantly better for the environment than flying in this case, and is probably worse...
 
#19
botfeckid said:
but inventing things in the way You invented that She drove a volvo isn't helping to create a decent arguement.
Sven, that was purely illustrative. Pick your own vehicle -although, I'd suggest that if you are a middle aged type of - by your own admission - the 'professional middle-classes' - you're unlikely to drive to Greece, pick up two scabby hounds, and return, in anything less than an estate. I'm not fussed. Choose a wagon, plug in the figures in the link provided, and I would suggest that even if you claim it's reasonable to bring the blasted quadrupeds back on the roof of a Smart car, you'll not shift the equation to actually favour driving over Air travel in any meaningful way.

It creates a perfectly decent argument, unless you are so unable to look outside your world view that you'll seize any point you can to rubbish a perfectly valid observation - to wit, driving is not significantly better for the environment than flying in this case, and is probably worse...
If the girl said she was going to drive to Greece You might have a point - she didn't and You don't
 
#20
We were going to fly to Greece to adopt two dogs but now we have decided to take a driving trip instead
Sven, are you a lawyer? Because the above would only be argued against by that sort of person. It reads - given that it's reported speech, and not a finely crafted passage in a dissertation - precisely how I see it. She was going to fly, now she's going to drive. Still, thank you for reminding me that there's always someone who will reduce the argument to a level at which the message is lost.

(And in any case, the part of my point that is about the relative merits of flying/driving remains perfectly valid: despite what many eco-loon, bandwagon jumping, unthinking, credulous cretins would have us believe, the hard facts suggest that driving (within Europe at least) is in certain circumstances better for the environment than flying, or at least cost neutral. So, despite your assertion, my core point stands, I'm afraid - giving up flying for driving is not necessarily a good thing.)
 

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