An Awesome Military Shotgun?

Discussion in 'Weapons, Equipment & Rations' started by mr_angry, Feb 6, 2008.

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  1. mr_angry

    mr_angry Old-Salt

  2. The magazine looks like it would be a nightmare to reload in the field, and I'm not sure about the range. A shotgun round for the UGL might be better.

    T C
  3. paleblue_1

    paleblue_1 Old-Salt

    No chance that UK forces would get it in it's current format:
    1) It wasn't made by BAE
    2) It's American
    3) It won't be sub-contracted to BAE
    4) No current MOD purchaser would buy it for fear of taking money from the paymasters!

    On the plus side I like the look of the grenade round, and by god the rate of fire goes some.

    Good bit of kit, but we will never get them.

    BAE might spend 40 million pounds developing something that resembles it, will be in service long after the ruskies have nuked 90% of the world's surface, and even won't work
  4. Cutaway

    Cutaway LE Reviewer

    "A 21st century weapon" ?
    Hardly, as the bloke said it was designed over thirty years back & has only been smoothed out.
    Max Atchisson designed many interesting odds & ends in the sixties & seventies, and his first attempt at this looked like he'd started with a box of bits & worked from there. A Thompson pistol grip, BAR trigger group and M16A1 stock & handguards, I suppose it made some room in his shed.

    In it's present envelope it was on sale in the 80's but never got far as there were patent & manufacturing (dosh) problems.
    A few years later the first USAS-12's were produced out in Korea - but made mirror imaged !

    With a loaded weight of over 11 lbs (8 rd box mag) and an effective range of less than 100 yds I'd be happier with the L85 in nearly every scenario. The drum mags are cumbersome, and they only held 20 rds - imagine the size of the 32 rd mags. How many pouches could you fit on your belt order ?

    The ammo is more interesting, but as it can be fired from any other Cyl bored SG, the launch system is immaterial.

    An interesting wpn, but for extremely specialised use.

  5. thegimp

    thegimp LE

    Feck the tech spec it gives me a hard one, and the pigeons down my way would feel the fear LOL
  6. smudge67

    smudge67 Crow

    A fear of being bum raped by your erect tool??? ;)
  7. thegimp

    thegimp LE

    Yep thats right
  8. puzzledgrunt

    puzzledgrunt Old-Salt

    During the Vietnam War the Australian SASR tried an automatic shotgun with flechette rounds and found it too difficult to control.