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Amnesty urged for 500,000 illegal immigrants

Should we grant illegal immigrants an Amnesty?

  • Yes as long as they can never claim benifits in exchange

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes British Citizenship should be given away with breakfast cereal

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes immigrants do help our society

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No we need the jobs for our own unemployed

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No only an economic halfwit thinks its a good idea

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Reduce welfare benefits to the minimum to prevent starvation and see if they still want to stay

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    0
#1
Half a million immigrants working illegally in Britain should be allowed to stay, according to a thinktank with close links to Downing Street.

A report published today by the influential Institute for Public Policy Research argues that finding and forcibly deporting all Britain's illegal workers would cost £4.7 billion and take 30 years.

The pressure group MigrationWatch UK calculates that there are up to 870,000 illegal immigrants in Britain, but the Government believes there are no more than 570,000.

The IPPR's report threatens to divide ministers. Last week, Liam Byrne, the immigration minister, repeated earlier Government pledges not to allow an amnesty for illegal migrants, but some Cabinet ministers back the idea.

Danny Sriskandarajah, the IPPR's head of migration and equalities, called on Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, to support it.
in full

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/15/nmigrants115.xml
 
#2
Why can I not vote all bottom 3?
 
#3
Sphincter_Control said:
Half a million immigrants working illegally in Britain should be allowed to stay, according to a thinktank with close links to Downing Street.

A report published today by the influential Institute for Public Policy Research argues that finding and forcibly deporting all Britain's illegal workers would cost £4.7 billion and take 30 years.

The pressure group MigrationWatch UK calculates that there are up to 870,000 illegal immigrants in Britain, but the Government believes there are no more than 570,000.

The IPPR's report threatens to divide ministers. Last week, Liam Byrne, the immigration minister, repeated earlier Government pledges not to allow an amnesty for illegal migrants, but some Cabinet ministers back the idea.

Danny Sriskandarajah, the IPPR's head of migration and equalities, called on Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, to support it.
in full

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/15/nmigrants115.xml
Probably a few family members are getting worried :twisted:


fastmedic
 
#4
They're here illegaly, get rid of them. No amnesty, it would only encourage more of the scum. Employing these illegal criminals should be made a hanging offence as should being illegal.
 
#5
50% - almost a majority so far, and IMHO will probably edge steadily upwards as more people vote.

Time for my 10p worth on how and under what circumstances immigrants should be allowed to stay. (Be careful, this could be interpreted as a rant):

1. Any potential immigrant must arrive in the UK through a legal point of entry and declare themselves to the Immigration Service on arrival. They should have in their possession the correct documentation (passport, visa etc). Failure to do this would result in their being turned around and sent back to the last country they had been in. After all, if an immigrant arrives at a legal port of entry, they should still possess their documents.

2. Anyone who arrives from a third country claiming asylum should be refused and sent back. France, for example, is a safe place, though is probably a bit tighter with benefit payments.....

3. Those who get this far would be required to prove their honesty and integrity. This means filling out all forms correctly, without the use of false names, dates of birth, countries of origin etc. Any falsification or evasion should result in immediate deportation. This should also be applied to residency and citizenship applications. Those making false declarations should be penalised no matter how far in the past it occured.

4. Take finger prints and/or retina scans of all asylum seekers. This can be used to verify their identities when they turn up to collect benefits, apply for housing etc.

5. Each and every immigrant must turn up in person to be told the decisions of the immigration authorities. That way, if they have been rejected, they authorities can detain them immediately prior to deportation and prevent them disappearing into the grey economy.

6. Fines for employers who knowingly give work to those who are not permitted employment should be raised, though each case should be heard by a judge on its individual merits.

7. Any asylum seeker who serves a sentence in a UK prison should be met by the immigration service on release and detianed until repatriation can be arranged. This should be enforced regardless of conditions in their country of origin.

8. Those who facilitate or assist illegal migration into the UK or who aid others in circumventing immigratinon controls should be liable to severe prison sentences.

9. All of the above should be retrospective.

The intention of what I've written above is to ensure that only honest and genuine asylum seekers/refugee's etc are accepted and that economic migrants and thosewho traffick them are caught and punished.
 
#6
My suggestion to my bosses was that we replace immigration officers with ex-soldiers who can make good use of all that fibua training to break down doors in the middle of the night before taking them to an airbase where they are flown back home in a herc and thrown out the back with a parachute on. :twisted:

can you see people flooding to the uk if this is how we remove them if they don't remove themselves?

Apparently this isn't the image the home office wants to project some thing to do with human rights or wotnot 8O
 
#7
Invicta - Do you work for the IND? Remarkable! but that is the policy!
 
#8
Why the huge cost and time taken to get rid of all the illegals . Most have come to Britain thru France , plenty of spare seats on the ferries most of the year , one way ticket only and no aid whatsoever.
France is a safe country so how can any of the parasites claim they couldn't stop there and claim asylum?
 
#9
DarkNinja said:
Invicta - Do you work for the IND? Remarkable! but that is the policy!
Yes it is the policy, but since when have we paid any attention to something like that

BIA darling not IND....we have a new name and are to encourage its use whenever we have the opportunity :p
 
#10
Haile
I like your suggestions but having seen a lot of IO's I would go for keeping them under 20 stone first!
 
#11
OldTimer said:
Why the huge cost and time taken to get rid of all the illegals . Most have come to Britain thru France , plenty of spare seats on the ferries most of the year , one way ticket only and no aid whatsoever.
France is a safe country so how can any of the parasites claim they couldn't stop there and claim asylum?
"I could not claim asylum in any other country because I was under the control of an agent, I did not choose to come to the UK but only asked to be taken to a safe country, it was the agent that chose to bring me to the UK"

And for those arriving at Heathrow etc

"The immigration officer did not ask me anything or talk to me, the agent did all the talking then I was waved through"

to which any decent Immigration judge will point out that even they have to be individually questioned by IO's at the airport and they are Judges.
 
#12
Kick the buggers out.
Ah some would say...........you're an exile and live in a foreign country youself.
Correct but the difference is that I am legal and I pay my way.
[And still contribute to the feckless idle in UK by paying UK tax]
 
#13
At the end of the day what is the difference between fugees and 3rd generation council tiprats who will never work and claim benefits till they retire?

They are both a drain on resources - you can't deal with one lot without dealing with the other
 
#14
Invicta....you have just quoted BIA (IND no longer exists) policy.

The only problems with this is the way it is implemented. Believe me, for every sensible idea/policy there is an (arguably ridiculous) counter response from the lunatic fringes (human rights lawyers, guardianistas etc.) that puts paid to any sanity.
 
#15
DarkNinja said:
Haile
I like your suggestions but having seen a lot of IO's I would go for keeping them under 20 stone first!
I have to work with them on a daily basis and while there are some good lads/lasses in the enforcement teams the quality of many others makes me despair.

Such as the IO who thought some scribbled notes on a bit of paper with nothing to identify who wrote it or its source organisation was actually the way intel reports should be produced for court (this guy was apparently an intel officer).

Or coming through calais and the IO looks at my partners passport and me, nods, then looks at my passport and gets confused. Not that I would have minded as she is much prettier than me.....but she's ginger with bright green eyes a mass of curly hair and glasses, I'm brunette (well a bit blond at the moment) with straight hair blue eyes and no glasses!!

This possibly helps explain why we have hundreds of thousands of people in the country who should't be
 
#17
an easy souloution would be to just shoot the buggers if they refuse to leave. (however those who provide employment and contribute to the economy exepted)
 
#18
Any Illegal immigrant found should be sent off home.

In the run up to this (say about 3 months) adverts and posters should be everywhere telling them to register or risk being deported on being found after the 3 months.

New immigrants should declare themselves at port of entry, or in the case of illegal immigrants smuggled over for prostution, etc. and existing Illegals, they should declare themselves at the earliest possible time to a Police Station or port of entry.

We know some are smuggled over against their will or at least to a job that was not in the "brochure". Most of these want to work and then return home so they are not that much of a drama.

Benefits should be absolute minimum for immigrants, however healthcare, schooling and a package on citizen ship and English should be available. After a set period of staying in the country, then we can start ramping up the funds. Say after two years.

Any immigrant who commits a crime of substance (ie rape, burglery, fraud etc) rather than speeding, should be immediatly shipped back to their country of origin.

Preaching, or extended campaigns, of hate against other members of OUR society (including other immigrants) or against our way of life should result in immediate expulsion.

This should be imposed for at least 3 generations (ie three generations born in THIS country), before the immigrant and family become a permanent fixture. That should give a good 30years minimum to weed out the trouble makers. Like a form of probation.

Immigrants should be allow, encouraged even, to continue with their own culture (providing it is legal ie no harems or female circumscions) however it should be pointed out that they are joining OUR culture and we will not bend our way of life to suit them.

Then they can get the vote too.

I would point out that they are not to be thought of as second class citizens, just "nearly citizens".
 
#19
DarkNinja said:
At the end of the day what is the difference between fugees and 3rd generation council tiprats who will never work and claim benefits till they retire?

They are both a drain on resources - you can't deal with one lot without dealing with the other
Fine by me - get rid of both loads of cnuts! :twisted:
 
#20
DON'T DO THAT!!!

Over on our side of the North Sea we just had Bliars incarnation as a vice PM and Harry Potter IV in charge. They had the wisdom to have a Turkish woman in charge of their immigration policy and she promptly started giving out amnesty's to illegal moochers.

The last right wing cabinet just had the immigration number down. Well, they're up again. Amnesty's attract moochers from all four corners of the world like syrup does flies!

Another perk of having a Turk in charge of immigration is that Kurds have a hard time getting in or getting to stay. Ms Albayrak, the immigration secretary, has brother in law who's an ossifer in the Turkish army. She refuses to underwrite the government position on the Armenian genocide and ethnic cleansing that went on over there just after WWI.
 
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