Ammunition Technician Civvy Skills

Discussion in 'RLC' started by commonwealthsoldier, Mar 3, 2006.

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  1. Hi,

    As above. What transferable skills do ATs get when they are discharged from the army? I can't see alot of need in the civillian world for people who inspects, looks after and repair ammunition, etc?
     
  2. All ATs get a retrading package working for Tescos mate..... stacking shelves whilst sup-specs go into higher management!!!


    Tough luck pal! Justice for all!!! ;)
     
  3. Unless, your lucky there isn't too many openings for Ex AT using your trade skills, unless of course you pimp yourself out to some despot. So you have to make your luck, what are you good at; well most AT's are good managers, have excellent communication skills and generally more get up and go than the stacker and driver trades.

    Some of the roles you might consider.

    Sales - The big bucks of any industry easy to hit 100k plus with some effort.
    Project Management - Bit tedious, but if your prepared to actually make a decision you will shine out from all the corporate types who fear putting their name to anything.
    Civil Service E Grades - Can be done as a late entrant but you will have to push the boat out.


    Hope that helps

    Snozzer
     
  4. Nobody "gets" transferable skills, irrespective of what trade they are. You either have them or you don't. If you have them, then bully for you, if you don't have them, then acquire some.

    As you point out, there is generally no requirement for an AT in civil industry, but surely there is no requirement for a Mortar Fire Contoller, an Ant-Tank weapons specialist or an intelligence advisor on counter-insurgecy operations.

    Perhaps I have misunderstood your question. The Army will train its soldiers for the service and beneift of the army. They are not entirely concerned whether you "get" anything out of it for later life in civil industry.

    However, on a slightly less cynical point, Ammo Techs receive qualitatively rated training, which is rated as Diploma/Degree level if they want to make the extra effort. At more senior positions, there may even be scope to study for an MBA. There are also opportunities to acquire lucrative employment with NATO, UN and certain police forces, both in a SOCO or explosives role, providing that the individual as excelled and reached the top.
     
  5. Quote Snozzer - "there isn't too many openings for Ex AT using your trade skills" - what arrse! Try checking out all the companies recruiting ex ATs - they can't get enough of them, literally. Company I work for employs 6 and is looking for several more. PM me for details. There are others companies too recruiting. I reckon that an experienced AT is a very marketable proposition at the moment and will be for several years.

    Quote F the cat "there is generally no requirement for an AT in civil industry" - arrse again - there is a large and growing requirement.

    transferable skills:
    1. Instruction.
    2. Program management.
    3. Technical consultancy.
    5. investigaive skills
    6. etc tec.
     
  6. Please check fire on this one.

    I said there is generally, "generally", GENERALLY, GENERALLY, no requirement.

    However as you are quite clearly in a position of some experience on this matter, please post the authority for this "large and growing requirement".

    I am not an ammunition technician myself, and to that end I will automatically defer to anyone who is, however I do believe that there will be many on this site who would beneift from the wide sector of civil employment opportunities where there is quite obviously a dire need for this particular military skill.

    1. Instruction.
    2. Program management.
    3. Technical consultancy.
    5. investigaive skills
    6. etc tec.

    Surely these skills, valuable as they are, are not restricted to Ammo Tech's, I believe the original author was looking for specific transferable trade skills.

    I look forward to your reply and the plethora of civil tasks that only an AT could perform.
     
  7. In reponse to F the cat. No problems. I suggest you read the Pentagon's quadrennial review - published early in February. It defines the future for both the US military and by implication many of its allies. That future is in developing counter-insurgency and counter-terrorism capabilities throughout the world. British Army ATs have some of the most relevant experence in NI, Balkans, Iraq , Afgh and elsewhere that will specifically aid a very large budget of several gazillion to achieve this. Now you may be saying "ha, tuna_head, but I was talking about civvy skills, not septic military skills". To which I would reply "Look at the US DoD's penchant for contracting stuff out to civvy companies. Its immense"

    Furthermore, the lumbering dinosaur that is the western defernce industry is beginning to realize that the future may not be in making whizzy jet fighters. They need people to help them undertsand the context of warfare in a counter-terrorist or counter-insurgent environment. Hence the large number of ex ATs and ATOs raking it in with equipment manufacturers, because they, more than anyone understand the technical environment and context in which these operations take place.

    Furthermore look at the growing "security industry" - security providers employ or subcontract to several ex ATs and ATOs as threat specialists. One or two are now hostage negoitiators. many work in the demining field all over the world.

    Further more look at the investigative skills developed by ATs both in thier routine duties investigating ammunition and in the more sexy counter-terrorist environment. I know a number of ATs employed as police scenes of crimes investigators. Others work for other organizations...

    Furthermore I know about 8 Ex ATs training US state and local police in some form or other. About the same again are contracted in the middle east holding the hands of the local bomb squads in some capacity or other. Theres a good dozen or so working for the Met police.

    There's more too, but that's for me to know... In summary the job market for Ex ATs is big , and skills are very easily transferable. IMHO its the most in demand trade in the whole Army outside the wire.
     
  8. Everything you have said, by your own words is "by implication". Hardly an authority.

    The gist of your post is concerened with "military style" activities and hardly displaces my original comment about a "general" requirement.

    The closing comment "That's for me to know" does not assist anyone reading the thread, and is scarcely any use to the original author.

    Please re-visit the original question and state, with authority, a general selction of jobs in the civil industry that only an AT could do.

    I believe that this is what the author is looking for.
     
  9. FTC, this is hard work for a Friday afternoon... "Authorities" are hard to find indeed, whether that be for plumbers, tyre fitters or AT skills sets. But to answer the original question as requested: - "What transferable skills do AT's get?"

    1. They can instruct police, security sevices in terrorist device response. What to do in case of a terrorist bomb. That's a skill set and one that people will pay a premium from. FTC may regard that as too "military style" to count as civilia employment.. i submit he's wrong, there are planty of civvies doing that, most of whom would fo it better if they were ex ATs.

    2. They can advise businesses how they might be at threat from a terrorist attack. They now the threat, undertsand it and are trained to assess this and communicate it well. That's a skills set that is transferable - doing a vulnerability assesment of a military base or unit can be done too for the bank or the factory or the office block. Therefore its a transferable skill.

    3. They can advise defense equipment maufacturers how defence equipment will be employed, particularly where that equipment is ammunition, weapon systems, or EOD equipment, or indeed ECM equipment. There are dozens of companies involved in that last item alone, and they all are looking for ATs. Tts a $500Bn dollar industry on its own. That's an attractive skills set.

    4. They can train police, military or other government organisations in CT bomb disposal and associated matters, including technical intelligence matters. That's a skill set and a very useful one too, thank you. Most people in the world conducting this training work are civvies.

    5. There are other technical skill sets ATs have , such as quality control and process management that are in demand. AT's are tacught, trained and experienced in these activities and they are eminently transferable. They also have significant expertise in explosives storage. Most explosive storage in the Uk and elsehwere, whether in the Mod or in industry is done by civvies. Good skill set.

    6. They also, as ex soldiers have other powerful skills sets that can be teamed with any of the above. Training design, management, project management of technicall projects, etc. Employers are aloways keen to find experienced managers who also have an undertsanding of science and engineering - the technical qualifications and management experience of an AT is therefore a useful thing. Its surprisngly rare in industry where they have a plethora of mangers with social studies degrees. Ex AT's eat them for breakfast around the board room.

    So, generally, generally generally, I submit to commonwealthsoldier that there is indeed significant demand for the transferable skill sets most ATs possess. I think that answers the thrust of your question .

    Finally FTC, thanks for the quote "I am not an ammunition technician myself, and to that end I will automatically defer to anyone who is". I've tried to offer some advice to CWS, but I can't be arrsed to back up my beliefs with "authority" from JSPs, the Encylopaedia Britannica or the sunday sport. But since you've agreed to take my word for it, there you go. Happy to PM CWS with some job adverts that an AT could fill, but be quick I'm losing interest in rising to FTC's bait.
     
  10. Thank you for a detailed response.

    I am now prepared to accept that there are a number of skills that AT's can offer, over and above that which I had orginally thought.

    I defer to your knowledge, but not to your manners.

    I take it FTC is me? What does it mean?
     
  11. Its Friday and I'm rushed and accidentally rude. Should have typed STC sammy the cat. No rudeness intended. have a nice weekend.
     
  12. Thank you guys, esp Tuna_Head! Certainly cleared things up for me!