Americas arms warning to Russia

#1
The US Defence Secretary says another Russian attack on Georgia once it has joined Nato would result in a US armed response.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wo...ussia_Attacks_Georgia_Once_It_Has_Joined_Nato

It's difficult to put this into context at the moment. Is Gates' comment in response to a journalist's question? If so, then Gates was just answering the question in line with what the organisation's chapters state -- that members of NATO must be defended from external aggression. Or is Gates sabre rattling?

Is now the time to be sabre rattling?
 
#2
How about the right link? Here.

Its election time, isn't it :roll:
 
#3
Contrarian said:
The US Defence Secretary says another Russian attack on Georgia once it has joined Nato would result in a US armed response.

http://news.sky.com

It's difficult to put this into context at the moment. Is Gates' comment in response to a journalist's question? If so, then Gates was just answering the question in line with what the organisation's chapters state -- that members of NATO must be defended from external aggression. Or is Gates sabre rattling?

Is now the time to be sabre rattling?
Best make sure Georgia doesn't get into NATO then...

If the US is soooo keen to see Georgia defended, why not enter a bilateral defence pact with Tbilisi. Why do the other NATO member states have to carry the can for US foreign policy (mis)adventures?
 

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#5
Wooo, that sent a shiver down my spine, but then I remembered that Georgia is not yet a member of NATO.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out. I think it is a warning of things to come SHOULD we allow Georgia into NATO, and SHOULD Russia take that membership as a hostile gesture.

In truth, I doubt that Russia has the capability to take on the West in a shooting war, and they know it. Despite Russia's new-found wealth, they could not afford to fight us. The West, should it need it, still has HUGE reserves of funds, a huge advantage in kit, and a HUGE industrial capacity to wage war. Russia can no longer rely on the balwark of Eastern Europe, nor it's troops or armaments factories.

On the other hand, NATO hasn't got the troops to hold Iraq and Afghanistan at the same time as taking on Russia. As for counting on the support of other NATO members in a big one with Russia - anyone taking bets?
 
#6
Think I'd better dig out the Reserve kit...
 
#7
Contrarian said:
............Is now the time to be sabre rattling?
Probably not, but Bush's lot are such a bunch of pricks, there's no-one left that still gives a fcuk.
 
#8
They are empty words. The USA is free to sign bilateral defence pact with Georgia just tomorrow and to make the same statement without any mention of NATO.

So we can make some conclusions.

1. The bilateral agreement would not be elaborated and signed.
2. Russia is allowed by US to invade Georgia until it would be NATO member
3. Unlikely Georgia ever would be a member of NATO.
 
#10
Somebody's not going to be too happy with this coming out on the same day...

BBC said:
Georgia and Ukraine 'shouldn't join Nato'

In a potentially significant swing of expert Western opinion, a leading British think tank has urged that Nato membership should not be granted to Georgia or Ukraine.

"The policy of Nato enlargement now would be a strategic error," said Dr John Chipman, Director General of the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS).

"There is no case for accelerating membership for Georgia and Ukraine. There is a strong case for a pause," he said in remarks introducing the IISS's annual review of world affairs, the Strategic Survey.

Current Nato policy, decided at a summit meeting in Bucharest in April, is that both countries should become members eventually but no timetable has been set.

Who started the war?

The IISS intervention shows that following the war in Georgia, a debate is growing about whether a confrontational approach to Russia is the best one.

The IISS is highly critical of Georgian actions - in contrast to the support Georgia has received from the US and some European countries, notably Britain. Naturally, if Georgia is faulted, then less blame can be put on Russia, whatever its reaction or, as some hold, its over-reaction.

Dr Chipman said that the "balance of evidence suggests that Georgia started this war".

Georgia has claimed that Russian forces had already started to enter South Ossetia by the time it acted. Russia has said that it responded to a Georgian attack.

Pressure seems to be growing for an international inquiry into the actual sequence of events.

The IISS position will undermine sympathy for Georgia and its leader President Mikhail Saakashvili.

Its analysis is that Georgia ignored American warnings not to go into South Ossetia and is therefore an unreliable partner at present.

Cont/...
 
#11
Contrarian said:
The US Congress Foreign Affairs Committee has brought a bill that aims to authorise US$1 billion in 'humanitarian aid' to Georgia. At 1m 40s on the video.
Corrr! All those blankets and tins of baby milk powder are really going to worry the Russians....
 
#12
whitecity said:
Contrarian said:
The US Congress Foreign Affairs Committee has brought a bill that aims to authorise US$1 billion in 'humanitarian aid' to Georgia. At 1m 40s on the video.
Corrr! All those blankets and tins of baby milk powder are really going to worry the Russians....
Is that all the aid comprises of? That billion will cover a hell of a lot of blankets and tins of formula. And all for a population of just under 5 million people. Price inflation must be a real bastward in Georgia.
 
#13
whitecity said:
Contrarian said:
The US Congress Foreign Affairs Committee has brought a bill that aims to authorise US$1 billion in 'humanitarian aid' to Georgia. At 1m 40s on the video.
Corrr! All those blankets and tins of baby milk powder are really going to worry the Russians....
They will be if they're infected with smallpox... again. :twisted:
 
#14
crabtastic said:
whitecity said:
Contrarian said:
The US Congress Foreign Affairs Committee has brought a bill that aims to authorise US$1 billion in 'humanitarian aid' to Georgia. At 1m 40s on the video.
Corrr! All those blankets and tins of baby milk powder are really going to worry the Russians....
They will be if they're infected with smallpox... again. :twisted:
Or come from China. On the other hand, maybe Ivan would be perfectly happy to supply a few tons of that himself.
 
#15
Contrarian said:
whitecity said:
Contrarian said:
The US Congress Foreign Affairs Committee has brought a bill that aims to authorise US$1 billion in 'humanitarian aid' to Georgia. At 1m 40s on the video.
Corrr! All those blankets and tins of baby milk powder are really going to worry the Russians....
Is that all the aid comprises of? That billion will cover a hell of a lot of blankets and tins of formula. And all for a population of just under 5 million people. Price inflation must be a real bastward in Georgia.
You clearly don't undertand how cold it gets in Georgia during the winter and what the locals get up to to keep warm.
 
#16
whitecity said:
Contrarian said:
whitecity said:
Contrarian said:
The US Congress Foreign Affairs Committee has brought a bill that aims to authorise US$1 billion in 'humanitarian aid' to Georgia. At 1m 40s on the video.
Corrr! All those blankets and tins of baby milk powder are really going to worry the Russians....
Is that all the aid comprises of? That billion will cover a hell of a lot of blankets and tins of formula. And all for a population of just under 5 million people. Price inflation must be a real bastward in Georgia.
You clearly don't undertand how cold it gets in Georgia during the winter and what the locals get up to to keep warm.
So tell me what the people of Georgia did in prior years when they didn't receive a billion dollars fuel payment?
 
#17
WW3 here we come.
 
#19
Contrarian said:
So tell me what the people of Georgia did in prior years when they didn't receive a billion dollars fuel payment?
Made do with their old blankets provided by the Soviets.

PS. And they used to get gas on the cheap as part of the 'friendly pact with Russia'.
 

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