American Gun Culture..

#1
See a thread about numnuls and the [mis]handling of firearms.. This story brings up a thousand questions and stuns the regular folk..

Brian Nichols was being taken into court for a trial appearance on charges of rape, sodomy, burglary, and false imprisonment..He was accused of breaking in to his ex-girlfriend's apartment, binding her with duct tape, sexually assaulting her over three days..he had prepared for this little exercise by bringing food and a loaded machine gun along...

as he was being brought into the courthouse by a lone female deputy [ no handcuffs.. as bringing prisoners into open court in ' chains' tends to unduly influence the jury when they see this, thus possibly prejudicing the defendant's case to a free and fair trial.. etc. etc..], he overpowerd the cop, stole her gun, shot her full in the face, then proceeded to blast the judge and a court clerk.. as he ran from the court he shot and killed a second deputy and then pistol whipped a reporter and stole his car making good his getaway...


Few leads on his whereabouts so far though local, state and federal agencies are on full alert/search mode as they say...
love his lawyer.. who stated that Mr. Nichols was probably motivated by his concern that after residing in jail for the past six months he would be facing a life inprisonment verdict if convicted.." Mr. Nichols, like most of us, values his freedom. "...[ yuh, think? ]..


Hope he enjoys his time in the open air, because as a ' known felon, armed and dangerous ' I expect that the cops, having lost two of their own to his 'actions' will be more inclined to shoot rather than ' place him in custody ' again..

This took place in Atlanta, just in case you're planning a visit...
 
#2
Hasn't he been caught now?
 
#5
indeed , should have been shot "while escaping"
he should fry on the chair.
what a t1t, he could have got only maybe 10-15 years and be out on the original charges , now he has added murder to it, he should fry
 
#7
I understand the bit about not handcuffing the defendant as it might be predjudicial - I've often seen American court pictures with the defendant bound hand and foot in orange overalls etc. and wondered how it affected the jury. However as this was obviously a dangerous man, likely to abscond why only one escort? I can't help thinking that in Britain with unarmed escorts this would not have happened, perhaps the ubiquity of guns in America makes them blase or somehow unable to consider eventualities like this.
 
#8
Why was a lone, female, officer escorting a well built male? Why was said officer armed when escorting said male, who apparently was subdue enough not to warrant restraints?
 
#9
Probably because American police find the idea of not carrying a gun unthinkable, even when it might not be a good idea?
 
#11
#13
You don't hear much about the attempted spree-killings that are stopped by CCW holders - it's not newsworthy. Many of the campus shootings were stopped by armed students/staff, but the majority of the news stories tend to just mention that someone "tackled" the perp, if they mention at all how it ended.

Have you also noticed that a lot of the reported spree-killings happen in gun-free zones? E.g. schools, workplaces with "no guns" policies
 
#14
Let's face it; if it gets stopped before it begins, it isn't a spree shooting any more, is it?

But, of course, the antis, like Gun Control Network, don't want to recognise that fact.

If someone wants go banzai, he or she* will do it, guns or no guns; it then remains for someone to stop them. Chances are that CCL prevent far more incidents than are ever reported.

*For those who believe that the 'spree shooting' syndrome is particularly a male thing, just recall the song 'I Don't Like Mondays'. That was based on an incident involving a teenaged girl who got bored with school and decided to shoot up the town with her daddy's rifle; killed quite a few, before she ran out of ammo.
 
#15
I'm willing to admit that in such a gun-saturated culture as America it's probably easier and more effective to allow everyone the opportunity to carry than to try to reduce the amount of gun carrying to UK levels. However the original courtroom example is one where I would suggest that carrying a gun was less than sensible and gave the criminal a weapon that he did not have before.
 
#17
By Bob Parks
March 12, 2005

It’s always been about common sense, not meanness as alleged, when several recent incidents prove the point in some ways more serious than others. It’s time to remind those who will be spending the next few weeks asking the same old agenda driven questions, there are some of us who’ll offer up some of the same old agenda driven answers: points we’ve been making for years and have been hammered for.

The murder of a judge, court recorder, and deputy Friday morning in Atlanta might have never happened if two issues were addressed years ago, without the politically correct remedy that some saw as the ticking time bomb it turned out to be.

1. There are some jobs women can do.

2. There are jobs women shouldn’t.

I’m sure I’m inviting a Larry Summers response, but someone has to say it.

In deference to the feminist Army Sergeant First Class (apparently only skimming my last column) who proceeded to e-mail me numerous long tirades about how women can perform in combat areas as good as any man of which I partially agree, on government time, I contend that if combat go hand-to-hand the average man would defeat his female counterpart. And maybe worse....

That’s not being mean or sexist. In the real world, there are very few G.I. Janes and Sonya Blades.

Reportedly after suspected rapist... let’s start there. A rapist. This is a dangerous man who has no regard for anyone but himself. He obviously has no respect for women.

Superior Court Judge Rowland Barnes and prosecutors asked for additional security from rape suspect Brian Nichols after he set off alarms by having "sharp objects" hidden in his shoes. One would think this might be a tip-off and taken it a bit more seriously. Nichols was reportedly in the fourth day of his retrial for rape, sodomy, burglary, and false imprisonment. If convicted this time, he was going away all day.

A few years ago while going to a supermarket in Los Angeles, I saw the biggest cop I've ever seen in my life. This guy was easily 6'5" and must have weighed a lean 275 pounds. I might cry if I had to go hand-to-hand with him. Surely benevolent monsters like this are available for special situations in Atlanta.

The additional security request seems to have fallen through the cracks as a lone female officer escorted Nichols to court that morning.

According to the Associated Press, "Nichols got the semiautomatic pistol by overpowering the female deputy while he was being led down a corridor in the Fulton County Courthouse...." Seeing how prisoners aren't allowed to be shackled in the courtroom (obviously a rule not written by conservatives), Nichols had to be uncuffed. Looking at a long jail term, what did he have to lose and... look who's between him and one last way out?

Nichols shot Deputy Cynthia Hall in the face, then went into the courtroom and shot and killed both the judge and court reporter Julie Brandau. He later shot and killed another deputy outside.

The questions will be asked of why the requested security was not honored. The question I have is when we will accept the fact that women shouldn't have to be put into unreasonable situations just to appease a feminist agenda. Deputy Hall, with all due respect, shouldn't have been in that situation in the first place, let alone... alone.

The argument of the breakdown of society is only being reinforced when judges, their staff, and families are being targeted. How much do we really need to look multicultural and Third World? It's especially disheartening when people are hurt and killed for the most stupid of reasons.

Certain prisoners require special treatment. Dangerous criminals are best kept under control by someone who can beat his ass if need be. As much as Amnesty International would disagree, I'm sure those in the courtroom Friday would have thought it justified if a big deputy beat the crap out of Nichols if he even looked at the pistol the wrong way. The female deputy could not.

Political correctness never seems to take into account the possibility of hand-to-hand combat and that some women might not be man enough to fight for their lives.

How hard it that to understand?
 
#18
cdo_gunner said:
Better to live in a society where people don't feel the need to carry a firearm for personal protection.
Better to live in a culture where law abiding people are free to carry a firearm under the law without prosecution or persecution.
 
#19
RCSignals said:
cdo_gunner said:
Better to live in a society where people don't feel the need to carry a firearm for personal protection.
Better to live in a culture where law abiding people are free to carry a firearm under the law without prosecution or persecution.
What's worst is living in a society where people feel the need to carry a firearm for personal protection and are denied it, like the UK. Remember the poll a few years ago? 22% of respondants to the Observer (a left-liberal leaning paper) said that if the law were changed to allow possession of registered handguns, they would be tempted to carry a gun for protection.

IIRC, takeup of concealed carry in the US is only around 10% of those eligable...

And a quotation to finish:

"These [common law] rights consist, primarily, in the free enjoyment of personal security, of personal liberty and of private property... to vindicate these rights when actually violated or attacked, the subjects of England are entitled, in the first place, to the regular administration and free course of justice in the courts of law; next to the right of petitioning the king and parliament for redress of grievances and lastly, to the right of having and using arms for self preservation and defence."

"Commentaries on the Laws of England"
Lord Justice William Blackstone, 1770
 
#20
when being attacked in UK , its all very well for a Chief Constable to say "don't take the law in your own hands" during a press conference , the earliest police response is likely to be 20-30 min away , i know what i would choose................
 

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