American democracy in action...

#1
Unbelievable. This guy asks John Kerry some rather direct questions and the police wade in, watch for yourself. Clicky.

:oops: I really don't know what to say.
 
#2
Can't see the link thanks to the fun police but it's no different from the New Liarbour style of political debate methinks.
 
#3
The_Cad said:
Can't see the link thanks to the fun police but it's no different from the New Liarbour style of political debate methinks.
Oh it's even worse, they take it to a whole new level and even tazer the bloke. 8O I expect to see these cops looking for a new job soon to pay their legal bills as the guy sues them.
 
#5
Haven't seen the video, can't at the moment.

But is this not similar to the old man who was ushered out of the Labour Party Conf (IIRC) for not toeing the party line?

Admittedly the British didn't taser the guy.

In this instance it seems from what I have read a bit of a overkill. Unless the student threatened the cops. Is it normal over there to taser people before carting them off?

Tough questions in a US debate, don't require a taser as a retort surely?
 
#6
The You Tube vids give a better perspective but in simple terms he asked an awkward question or two and the cops dived in. He quite rightly protested and they go on to manhandle him out, tazering him at one point. Not Americas finest moment.
 
#7
interesting comment by one of the people on Youtube

Geez Americans... you microscope an ant across the ocean, but never look at the elephant between your legs.
I find it fascinating that they are insisting that everyone is entitled to democracy as a "god given right" but not if it involves uncomfortable questions
 
#9
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/09/18/offense.report.072274.pdf


This is the police report of the incident. Check out page 4.

Am now waiting for the old 'well, the police are going to lie aren't they?' :roll:

Seems to me the bloke's a complete fire engine and wanted to create a scene for whatever agenda he's chasing. Seen it so many times before at protests, where activists play up for the camera to show 'brutality' of police/security etc.
You can hear the police warn him about being tased. Those that know the american plice know that they don't fck around! 'Down on the floor' means just that-get down on the floor!
 
#10
woodyb said:
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/09/18/offense.report.072274.pdf


This is the police report of the incident. Check out page 4.

Am now waiting for the old 'well, the police are going to lie aren't they?' :roll:

Seems to me the bloke's a complete fire engine and wanted to create a scene for whatever agenda he's chasing. Seen it so many times before at protests, where activists play up for the camera to show 'brutality' of police/security etc.
You can hear the police warn him about being tased. Those that know the american plice know that they don't fck around! 'Down on the floor' means just that-get down on the floor!
It also says at the bottom of page 3 that he was being lawfully detained for inciting a riot. He did nothing of the sort. It also lies about the question and answer session being over and Kerry not wanting to answer any more questions but if you watch some of the other vids on You Tube as the police get involved Kerry can be clearly seen and heard saying no please I will answer that.

Once the police confronted him and escalated the episode when they had no legal authority to do so it was obvious where it was going to end. If someone tries to arrest me for nothing I would probably have acted the same. This one is a police fcuk up plain and simple.

Oh and yes the police statement IS a lie, watch the vids for yourself and what is in that statement does not match what actually happened.
 
#11
The fact that the police did this probably reflects badly on Kerry more than anyone and as Ord_srg was saying he was trying to answer the question - The main problem with the bloke asking the questions is he was rambling, but surely they would be used to that in Politics
 
#12
The guy was a tool and deserved to be zapped.

1. He wasn't asking questions he was on a rant.

2. When he resisted the police they zapped him.

Lesson 1: Don't rant when asking simple questions and you may get an answer.

Lesson 2: Don't resist the police or you loose all credability.
 
#13
IT_Guy said:
The guy was a tool and deserved to be zapped.

1. He wasn't asking questions he was on a rant.

2. When he resisted the police they zapped him.

Lesson 1: Don't rant when asking simple questions and you may get an answer.

Lesson 2: Don't resist the police or you loose all credability.
Baaaaaaah.
 
#15
IT_Guy said:
The guy was a tool and deserved to be zapped.

1. He wasn't asking questions he was on a rant.

2. When he resisted the police they zapped him.

Lesson 1: Don't rant when asking simple questions and you may get an answer.

Lesson 2: Don't resist the police or you loose all credability.
Its a democracy mate, he's entitled to his say (or at least thats the way I understand it)
Wrongful arrest at best, the guy was absolutely right to protest at the actions of the Police
More like a case of Balckshirts at their best.
 
#16
IT_Guy said:
The guy was a tool and deserved to be zapped.

1. He wasn't asking questions he was on a rant.

2. When he resisted the police they zapped him.

Lesson 1: Don't rant when asking simple questions and you may get an answer.

Lesson 2: Don't resist the police or you loose all credability.
The bits in bold I completely agree with, however Freedom of Speech is enshrined in the US constitution and it has no exclusions for being a) a tool or b) ranting
 
#17
Well said jagman, having a rant is not illegal. you may not like what he has to say but don't you defend his right to say it or was all that stuff about taking an oath and defending democracy a load of bollox? If so who's the bigger fool?

You miss the point here entirely I think.
 
#18
jagman said:
Its a democracy mate, he's entitled to his say (or at least thats the way I understand it)
Yes he is entitled to his say and he said it but so is everyone else, trying the 'If I keep ranting on no one else can get a word in' trick was very childish of him.

jagman said:
Wrongful arrest at best, the guy was absolutely right to protest at the actions of the Police
More like a case of Balckshirts at their best.
Great, if he had gone without struggling he would of been able to argue that, but as soon as he kicked off it became resisting arrest and he blew it.
 
#19
While at some level I feel this should offend my pro-democratic sensibilities, I have to say, in fairness the the rozzers (well, UF campus police), he was being an obnoxious cnut from the kick off- and he's from Florida, so no real harm done there. If they can't be bothered to count ballots in a presidential election, then the tazering of a gobshite is really the least of their worries in terms of protecting the rights of citizens.

Both sides in the wrong here. No winners.

(Edited for drunken mong typing.)
 
#20
Ord_Sgt said:
Well said jagman, having a rant is not illegal. you may not like what he has to say but don't you defend his right to say it or was all that stuff about taking an oath and defending democracy a load of bollox? If so who's the bigger fool?

You miss the point here entirely I think.
Quite right, he has the right to say it but that doesn't mean that everyone in that room has to sit and listen to him rabbit on does it? I suspect they came to the meeting to listen to the opinions of the speaker not this tool.

If he wants to rattle on uninterrupted I suggest he gets down to speakers corner or opens a blog.
 

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