America to stop funding the World Health Organisation

I have to ask Charlie, what in your view is acceptable when you say "no matter what"?
From the point of view of the two camps currently screaming at each other (left/right, Democrat/Republican, Labour, "new" liberal etc etc, call them what you will), I very much get the feeling that anything goes. The truth, ideas about free speech, equality before the law, freedom of religion, freedom from religion ... they are all just inconveniences to getting the job done and leaving nothing but scorched earth behind for us middle of the road normal people.
 
WHO didn't declare a Covid-19 a global pandemic until 11 March, 2020.

Most people were calling Trump racist for establishing the initial travel restrictions from China on 31 Jan, 2020.

**** the opposite day quarantine bullshit. Never been one like it before, and suddenly it is the only model that ever existed? Quarantine the sick, follow Infectious disease protocols. Fire the mother ******* officious admin ******* that can't be bothered to actually staff enough nurses and stock enough supplies to run a ******* hospital the way it is actually supposed to be SAFELY run.
Which was exactly the point I kept in my pocket in the event of an idiot attacking me :) - the only governments who didn't seem to get caught out were taiwan and south korea, both of which have a healthy dose of scepticsm about anything china says.

On lockdowns, I'm afraid, it was probably neccessary to just get people to realise the dangers, as the majority of the population acted exactly the same as our representatives in taking for granted that all would be well.. On logistics its always the case that people will run down unneccessary stocks to purchase all the new tech for the new cutting edge treatments.

Its the equivelent in military terms of having warehouses full of big ticket tanks, fighter jets and finding your stock of basic ammunition is way too light for a counter-insurgency (see: Ministry of Defence, United Kingdom).
 
Trump referred to Coronavirus as a hoax perpetrated by the Democrats. Any way you read it that's calling the virus a hoax.
On a scale of one to bugsy, that is right up there in the stupidity stakes as a double bugsy. Anyone that cannot differentiate between Trump calling out the Democratic response to the outbreak a hoax and the actual outbreak a hoax, is frankly retarded. The clue is in the fact he called out that Covid had resulted in deaths in the USA.
 
For a collective organisation to have an enormous tin ear towards one of the two superpowers is a demonstration of how hostile the world is to trump and how willing everyone is to support another globalist corrupt organisation, because it irritates the tango man in the white house.

Personally I see the validity of having a WHO, but its quite clearly failed, as we see evidence all around us.
 
For a collective organisation to have an enormous tin ear towards one of the two superpowers is a demonstration of how hostile the world is to trump and how willing everyone is to support another globalist corrupt organisation, because it irritates the tango man in the white house.
Indeed, the Trump Derangement Syndrome is extraordinary.
 
Indeed, the Trump Derangement Syndrome is extraordinary.
Look at it another way... 11 million live in wuhan and 58 million in the province it resides. The definition of a pandemic is very loose, but can cover 'widespread in a country', because china is so big and the WHO believed it was restricted to that particular region, then it found a reason not to call the pandemic. That ignores the fact that both wuhan/province are both as big as most countries..... So the fault entirely lies with the WHO and China, every other country reacted as best as they're could do given the short notice.

IF you explore that derangement, what you find is an idelogical battle between those who adhere to the theory that in a globalised world, you can only have global solutions and those like trump, who still hold the nation state paramount. So to criticise a globalist entity puts him beyond the pale, similarly many of his statements do not filter themselves through the accepted new norms that allow a globalised world to function and that friction is why so many hate trump.
 
Personally I see the validity of having a WHO, but its quite clearly failed, as we see evidence all around us.
I knew this little beauty was still out there somewhere. For those who think that this business with the WHO is new, and that they just need another chance ...

(Article dated November 2016)


Well worth a read in full, but for me the money quotes are:

... an inability to look beyond petty lifestyle regulation has become the WHO’s calling card. Take North Korea, for example. Amnesty International says that this totalitarian hellhole is ‘in a category of its own when it comes to human rights violations’, but when WHO director-general Margaret Chan visited the country in 2010, she commented favourably on its low rate of obesity.
When the Ebola epidemic began in October 2014, Chan issued a statement saying that she was ‘fully occupied with coordinating the international response to what is unquestionably the most severe acute public health emergency in modern times.’ This was not entirely true. In reality, she was at a WHO conference in Moscow denigrating e-cigarettes and praising Vladimir Putin for his commitment to public health
The WHO has been strongly criticised for its feeble response to the Ebola outbreak. There is little doubt that it was ill-prepared for the epidemic, which killed over 11,000 people, but then dealing with contagious diseases in poor countries no longer seems to be the WHO’s priority.
 

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IF you explore that derangement, what you find is an idelogical battle between those who adhere to the theory that in a globalised world, you can only have global solutions and those like trump, who still hold the nation state paramount. So to criticise a globalist entity puts him beyond the pale, similarly many of his statements do not filter themselves through the accepted new norms that allow a globalised world to function and that friction is why so many hate trump.
Whist there is much truth in what you say, hatred of the Donald is not just because of his nationalist platform. Looked at objectively, he comes across to many as rather unpleasant; he is seen throughout much of the world as a sneering braggart, verbally incontinent and seemingly unable to put together a correct sentence. There's obviously much more to the man than that - he's an experienced businessman, and morons don't make it to President, but that is the image he projects. However, in the US he appears to be seen differently by a significant portion of the electorate. Of course, the US left are even more critical of Trump.
 
Just how does anyone get obese when there is no food?
I can imagine the scene ... "We looked past the whole millions-dead-of-starvation thing because look how nice and thin everybody is. Not like those gwailou fatties."

And let's not forget this from 2015 ...


"The most egregious failure was by WHO in the delay in sounding the alarm," said Ashish K. Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute. "People at WHO were aware that there was an Ebola outbreak that was getting out of control by spring... and yet, it took until August to declare a public health emergency. The cost of the delay was enormous," Jha said.
Jeez, the cost of the delay was enormous ... that sounds ... familiar.
 
Whist there is much truth in what you say, hatred of the Donald is not just because of his nationalist platform. Looked at objectively, he comes across to many as rather unpleasant; he is seen throughout much of the world as a sneering braggart, verbally incontinent and seemingly unable to put together a correct sentence. There's obviously much more to the man than that - he's an experienced businessman, and morons don't make it to President, but that is the image he projects. However, in the US he appears to be seen differently by a significant portion of the electorate. Of course, the US left are even more critical of Trump.
Your right and personally I can't stand the bloke and certainly would not wish to have him for tea (weak humour, related to tigers)......

Think of it another way. If you don't like somebody for one motivation, but want to enlist the aid of those outside your own personal motivation, then you look for other features and emphasise those i.e. somebody you hate because they're are popular, then you might emphasis their weight, or other negative to get others involved. A uniquely human characteristic in psychology and very deep routed.
 
I can imagine the scene ... "We looked past the whole millions-dead-of-starvation thing because look how nice and thin everybody is. Not like those gwailou fatties."

And let's not forget this from 2015 ...




Jeez, the cost of the delay was enormous ... that sounds ... familiar.
Science is very thin skinned about criticism from outsiders and similarly the globalist bubble is very thin skinned about politicians, who represent the very entities that cause the world ills(countries), in their opinion.... The criticism of trump is entirely motivated by the following emotions:-
1. Those who support the globalist ideology and whose support for democracy is thin at best.
2. Those who don't like public criticism.
3. The bulk of the voices are simply sheep who dislike the man and think themselves on the right side of an argument, when they're are following someone clever.
 

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Science is very thin skinned about criticism from outsiders and similarly the globalist bubble is very thin skinned about politicians, who represent the very entities that cause the world ills(countries), in their opinion.... The criticism of trump is entirely motivated by the following emotions:-
1. Those who support the globalist ideology and whose support for democracy is thin at best.
2. Those who don't like public criticism.
3. The bulk of the voices are simply sheep who dislike the man and think themselves on the right side of an argument, when they're are following someone clever.
... not to forget 4: Also those who honestly disagree with Trump’s actions. It’s very easy to discount honestly held beliefs as driven by bias. The left does it all the time.
 
...The bulk of the voices are simply sheep who dislike the man and think themselves on the right side of an argument, when they're are following someone clever.
This. Chuck in a few verifiable facts to interrupt the spittle flecked ranting and they disappear like smoke. Stand by for accusations of being a conspiraloon until they've actually verified the sources of those facts, and then the deathly silence that follows.
 
This. Chuck in a few verifiable facts to interrupt the spittle flecked ranting and they disappear like smoke. Stand by for accusations of being a conspiraloon until they've actually verified the sources of those facts, and then the deathly silence that follows.
The timelines are clear. The pandemic wasn't called until march and before that, the virus was already spreading fast. Though the deaths were still low, probably, because the elderly weren't linked to covid and the young had few symptoms. Very few governments have the nads to take unilateral action, as it usually results in a media s*** storm, which happened in the case of trumps european ban.

All those twisting about his euro ban are now calling for more global responses and closer co-operation, which as ever calls into question that little word called 'democracy'. Much better in some eyes, if we all had chinese like governments much easily to deal with and a lot less friction.
 

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