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America reviews pregnancy policy

#1
Saw this. I have sympathy for the US Comdanders, but just how does it apply to men!?!

A US Army general in northern Iraq has defended his decision to add pregnancy to the list of reasons a soldier under his command could face court martial.
It is current army policy to send pregnant soldiers home, but Maj Gen Anthony Cucolo told the BBC he was losing people with critical skills.
The new policy applies both to female and male soldiers, even if married.

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#3
That is really fcuked up. I can't believe it has even been allowed. I can see the point for single, serving females but not for married soldiers. Why should their wives have to put their life on hold because some fcukwit says so. How the hell are they going to police it, accidents happen all the time, women can be devious if they want a baby they will have one, what about the people who are, or who's wives are already pregnant how does that work? Will soldiers be given a time frame in which pregnancy is acceptable? Will there be conception cut off dates? What about people undergoing fertility treatment?

Ah fcuk it, no point getting outraged about something I can do fcuk all about.
 
#4
D0lly86 said:
That is really fcuked up. I can't believe it has even been allowed. I can see the point for single, serving females but not for married soldiers. Why should their wives have to put their life on hold because some fcukwit says so. How the hell are they going to police it, accidents happen all the time, women can be devious if they want a baby they will have one, what about the people who are, or who's wives are already pregnant how does that work? Will soldiers be given a time frame in which pregnancy is acceptable? Will there be conception cut off dates? What about people undergoing fertility treatment?

Ah fcuk it, no point getting outraged about something I can do fcuk all about.
Err, because they are on tour? They chose to join the Army, and that includes putting your life on hold when on tour. Do you think my kids don't grow whilst I am away?

Now imagine you are in theatre and your work load goes through the roof because out of the team you are in, one gets the sh1ts, one is injured in an IED and another gets up the duff....
 
#6
chocolate_frog said:
D0lly86 said:
That is really fcuked up. I can't believe it has even been allowed. I can see the point for single, serving females but not for married soldiers. Why should their wives have to put their life on hold because some fcukwit says so. How the hell are they going to police it, accidents happen all the time, women can be devious if they want a baby they will have one, what about the people who are, or who's wives are already pregnant how does that work? Will soldiers be given a time frame in which pregnancy is acceptable? Will there be conception cut off dates? What about people undergoing fertility treatment?

Ah fcuk it, no point getting outraged about something I can do fcuk all about.
Err, because they are on tour? They chose to join the Army, and that includes putting your life on hold when on tour. Do you think my kids don't grow whilst I am away?

Now imagine you are in theatre and your work load goes through the roof because out of the team you are in, one gets the sh1ts, one is injured in an IED and another gets up the duff....
What he says! Take 2 no9's and place between knees.
 
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#7
Soldiers knowing they have a tour coming up have been procreating sometimes deliberately for years. For some reason in Bosnia a lot of the SNCO wifes were dropping mid tour. It was a tour nobody wanted to go on. A few admitted they did it deliberately.

As for single serving soldiers getting preggers on tour or six months before tour should be charged. No such thing as accidents. You are meant to be responsible adults. You are putting a strain on manpower and resources.

Be responsible.
 
#8
armadillo said:
Soldiers knowing they have a tour coming up have been procreating sometimes deliberately for years. For some reason in Bosnia a lot of the SNCO wifes were dropping mid tour. It was a tour nobody wanted to go on. A few admitted they did it deliberately.

As for single serving soldiers getting preggers on tour or six months before tour should be charged. No such thing as accidents. You are meant to be responsible adults. You are putting a strain on manpower and resources.

Be responsible.
Agreed :wink:
But when are you due back in cuckoo land?,it will never happen :lol:
 
#10
countymounty said:
chocolate_frog said:
D0lly86 said:
That is really fcuked up. I can't believe it has even been allowed. I can see the point for single, serving females but not for married soldiers. Why should their wives have to put their life on hold because some fcukwit says so. How the hell are they going to police it, accidents happen all the time, women can be devious if they want a baby they will have one, what about the people who are, or who's wives are already pregnant how does that work? Will soldiers be given a time frame in which pregnancy is acceptable? Will there be conception cut off dates? What about people undergoing fertility treatment?

Ah fcuk it, no point getting outraged about something I can do fcuk all about.
Err, because they are on tour? They chose to join the Army, and that includes putting your life on hold when on tour. Do you think my kids don't grow whilst I am away?

Now imagine you are in theatre and your work load goes through the roof because out of the team you are in, one gets the sh1ts, one is injured in an IED and another gets up the duff....
What he says! Take 2 no9's and place between knees.
Im talking about the bigger picture and individuals. What if you wanted a child and your Mrs was say, 40 and you couldn't afford to wait 21 months (12+9) to try to conceive. Its a long time to put on hold for and what if you have been trying for a child for a long period and then have to stop for the duration of the tour. These are the kind of things that have a massive impact on peoples lives, the Military has just as much of a responsibility for welfare.

I think it is more acceptable for them to say that soldiers wives can have children but not expect to be allowed home for the birth and such, if operational commitments would be too affected by the absence. That way the responsibility is still on the soldiers. I still think female soldiers getting pregnant before a tour should be charged.
 
#11
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...-troops-face-prison-fall-pregnant-active.html

Can I assume that "active service," as used in this article, means Iraq and Afghanistan, thus this rule would apply to people who get knocked up (and the people who knock them up) ON tour?

Then this would really just be extra teeth to something that U.S. soldiers already know goddamn good and well is against the rules, would it not? You're not supposed to be fcuking around, and if you do, then have the sense to use contraception correctly.

It can't be that hard to get condoms into Afghanistan, can it?
 
#15
DeltaDog said:
Not a popular opinion on here, but sending women on tour is a stupid idea in the first place if you ask me.
Oh go on then, lets have a chat about that. Set up a new thread so as not to crayon on this one and lets have a proper Arrse debate that isn't Bugsy related.
 
#16
D0lly86 said:
DeltaDog said:
Not a popular opinion on here, but sending women on tour is a stupid idea in the first place if you ask me.
Oh go on then, lets have a chat about that. Set up a new thread so as not to crayon on this one and lets have a proper Arrse debate that isn't Bugsy related.
It's been done a million times over. There's no right or wrong answer, so it's fairly pointless going over it again.
 
#17
DeltaDog said:
D0lly86 said:
DeltaDog said:
Not a popular opinion on here, but sending women on tour is a stupid idea in the first place if you ask me.
Oh go on then, lets have a chat about that. Set up a new thread so as not to crayon on this one and lets have a proper Arrse debate that isn't Bugsy related.
It's been done a million times over. There's no right or wrong answer, so it's fairly pointless going over it again.
Oh, well thats a bit pants, but I don't doubt you. Best just have another walt hunting thread then, stick with whats proven and all that!
 
#19
D0lly86 said:
countymounty said:
chocolate_frog said:
D0lly86 said:
That is really fcuked up. I can't believe it has even been allowed. I can see the point for single, serving females but not for married soldiers. Why should their wives have to put their life on hold because some fcukwit says so. How the hell are they going to police it, accidents happen all the time, women can be devious if they want a baby they will have one, what about the people who are, or who's wives are already pregnant how does that work? Will soldiers be given a time frame in which pregnancy is acceptable? Will there be conception cut off dates? What about people undergoing fertility treatment?

Ah fcuk it, no point getting outraged about something I can do fcuk all about.
Err, because they are on tour? They chose to join the Army, and that includes putting your life on hold when on tour. Do you think my kids don't grow whilst I am away?

Now imagine you are in theatre and your work load goes through the roof because out of the team you are in, one gets the sh1ts, one is injured in an IED and another gets up the duff....
What he says! Take 2 no9's and place between knees.
Im talking about the bigger picture and individuals. What if you wanted a child and your Mrs was say, 40 and you couldn't afford to wait 21 months (12+9) to try to conceive. Its a long time to put on hold for and what if you have been trying for a child for a long period and then have to stop for the duration of the tour. These are the kind of things that have a massive impact on peoples lives, the Military has just as much of a responsibility for welfare.

I think it is more acceptable for them to say that soldiers wives can have children but not expect to be allowed home for the birth and such, if operational commitments would be too affected by the absence. That way the responsibility is still on the soldiers. I still think female soldiers getting pregnant before a tour should be charged.
Normally you get plenty off warning before deployment,so no excuses. If it happens then all seniority should be lost,if it happens on tour it should be bye bye time.If you want to be treated differently to the blokes then bring back the W.R.A.C.
 
#20
I said nothing about wanting different treatment, I said nothing about warning times or excuses. I just think that there are exceptions to this rule for those people for whom conception is a problem.
 

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