America - its all a bit odd...

I was under the impression that the USA was a classless society, a republic, its us here in the mother land that has a class structure, much the same as India. Are not your citizens all equal under the laws and constitution?

We have Magna Carta,............ you got "law enforcement"
I am referring to the fact that I deal with the average Joe's the majority of the time. Not the pampered billionaires in the North Western part of the State or the odd celebrity that manages to buy property here. The aristocracy tends to avoid us commoners.
 

needlewaver

War Hero
Unfortunately, landing a man on the moon does not a great country make.
Very true, I think the United States’ best days are behind them. The glory days of the space program were the apogee of North American society.

Now we have the Mongolian clusterfcuk displayed for the world to be dismayed at. It’s like seeing a mighty lion that once ruled the plains limping along coughing up blood; at some point soon, that lion is going to keel over, expire and be feasted on by the jackals.
 
The difference between the groups seems to be a bit beyond you.
You are completely missing the point. In most cases the default position of the police is that the protestors are all thugs and have to be suppressed, at the point of a gun or the blunt end of a baton. Why? Are these PDs taking the stance that they are against those who are against police brutality? Are they defending the actions of a rogue bully copper just because he was one of theirs?

Did you see Joseph Wysocki, chief of police for Camden County in New Jersey? He ditched his body armour, shield and baton and sympathised with the message of the protestors suggesting that they have a 'parade' instead of a protest. It is not that he suddenly became a lefty: Indeed he fulfilled every single one of his objectives. In one fell swoop, he solidified his PD's (And the local authority's) position as being as one with their public, against police brutality (Which nobody can defend anyway). He prevented rioting, nobody got beaten or arrested and now he and his colleagues are heroes with local populace.

As Danielesque tactics go, this guy is a policing genius.

Many people in authority could learn from him.
 
Who knows what the accurate account of the circumstances that led to her arrest was, but the police are meant to protect people, not expose them to potential identity theft, fraud or physical harm.

'The union representing police sergeants in New York City tweeted an internal arrest report for the mayor’s daughter on Sunday, after she was arrested at a protest against police brutality. Chiara de Blasio (and hundreds of others) were arrested over the weekend while participating in protests inspired by the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis.

'The NYPD told reporters that the arrest was for unlawful assembly — multiple outletsreported, citing authorities, that de Blasio was one of dozens of people who refused to leave a lower Manhattan intersection when ordered. The New York Post reported she was released and given a desk appearance ticket. But in a post subsequently removed from Twitter, the NYPD Sergeants Benevolent Association (SBA) accused de Blasio, 25, of “object throwing.”

'The account also posted de Blasio’s internal arrest file, which included her home address (Gracie Mansion, the mayor’s residence), ID number and other personal information.'

Yikes, have you seen De Blasio's daughter? Looks like a trans activist

 
I am referring to the fact that I deal with the average Joe's the majority of the time. Not the pampered billionaires in the North Western part of the State or the odd celebrity that manages to buy property here. The aristocracy tends to avoid us commoners.

What you consider the aristocracy,are empowered citizens, much like yourself, no better no worse, under the laws of the land.

We on the other hand have had to suffer the pricks for the last 1000 years, real kings, queens, and a plethora of arse lickers, and high born toady elite aristocrats., the real McCoy. Come back in 800 years and tell me again how put down you really are!
 
Yikes, have you seen De Blasio's daughter? Looks like a trans activist

So what. You'd rather criticise someone you've never met for their appearance, and your apparent homophobia, than recognise a police force that puts the people its supposed to be there to protect in danger by releasing their personal data.
 

OneTenner

LE
Book Reviewer
Another question dodged. Anyone would think the truth, that as a nation you are a mess, hurts.

USA, twinned with Zimbabwe.
Hardly, Zimbabwe has some good points...
 
Did you see Joseph Wysocki, chief of police for Camden County in New Jersey? He ditched his body armour, shield and baton and sympathised with the message of the protestors suggesting that they have a 'parade' instead of a protest. It is not that he suddenly became a lefty: Indeed he fulfilled every single one of his objectives. In one fell swoop, he solidified his PD's (And the local authority's) position as being as one with their public, against police brutality
Are you saying he promoted and accepted the fact that "we are the police, the police are us"? That will never catch on in the USA.
 
You are completely missing the point. In most cases the default position of the police is that the protestors are all thugs and have to be suppressed, at the point of a gun or the blunt end of a baton. Why? Are these PDs taking the stance that they are against those who are against police brutality? Are they defending the actions of a rogue bully copper just because he was one of theirs?

Did you see Joseph Wysocki, chief of police for Camden County in New Jersey? He ditched his body armour, shield and baton and sympathised with the message of the protestors suggesting that they have a 'parade' instead of a protest. It is not that he suddenly became a lefty: Indeed he fulfilled every single one of his objectives. In one fell swoop, he solidified his PD's (And the local authority's) position as being as one with their public, against police brutality (Which nobody can defend anyway). He prevented rioting, nobody got beaten or arrested and now he and his colleagues are heroes with local populace.

As Danielesque tactics go, this guy is a policing genius.

Many people in authority could learn from him.
Protesters don't riot. The terminology being used does not match the actions of the people out in the street. Nobody agrees with the actions of Mr. Chauvin. But nobody agrees with the rioters either, hence the problems we are having now.

He did get his 15 seconds of fame and a he does deserve a kudos. But sadly rationale behavior seems to be in short supply, as third parties are going all out to ensure maximum destruction and belligerence by all parties.
 

Bodenplatte

War Hero
We have Magna Carta,............ you got "law enforcement"
Oh no. Magna Carta was given to the world, and to the comity of common law nations in particular. The Great Charter Memorial at Runnymede was paid for and erected by the American Bar Association, acknowledging the American debt of this "Symbol of Freedom Under The Law." Magna Carta, the 1689 English Bill of Rights, and many English legal cases are still prayed in aid in US court cases.

And yet . . . . . that Runnymede memorial, with its high sounding inscription was erected in 1957, which by coincidence was the centenary of an infamous SCOTUS decision, viz the Dred Scott case, Scott v Sanford. Here the fine sentiments of the Declaration of Independence were trashed by the highest legal authority in the land which ruled that Black people were not citizens, and had no rights.

So whilst the US Supreme Court was merrily endorsing the institution of slavery, England had effectively abolished it in England 85 years earlier, by virtue of the landmark Somerset case. Do your sums, and you'll see that that Somerset pre-dated the American Declaration of Independence - unfortunately the case applied only to England, and not to the colonies. Some scholars maintain that the great American rebellion was partly inflamed by the fear amongst some of the colonists that abolition was on the way. As indeed it was, but abolition in British colonies did not come about until 1833. It took another 30 years, and the slaughter of 600,000 Americans to decide the issue.
 
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OneTenner

LE
Book Reviewer
Didn't Heinrich Himmler say something along those lines?
No, his language was far more eloquent.
The best political weapon is the weapon of terror.
Cruelty commands respect. Men may hate us.
But, we don't ask for their love; only for their fear.
 

endure

GCM

OneTenner

LE
Book Reviewer
his Posen Speech

substitute ANTIFA for Jews and it’s a home run.


“This is a glorious entry in our history which has never been written, and can never be written. For we know how difficult it would be for us if we still had the Jews, as secret saboteurs, agitators and trouble makers, amongst us now,.”


This is a very Trumpian thought - quite topical too.
The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders...tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.
 

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