America - its all a bit odd...

If you have a bit of time to kill, there was a court case in the Irish Supreme Court a few years back where the matter of the use of legal force against intruders came up. To the surprise of everybody, it had never come up before, so the court had to come up with a standard, and looked, primarily, to English history and legal standards. For example, in 1909, English law was as follows:
"The owner of a dwellinghouse, or any of his servants or lodgers, or any other person within the house, is justified in using force towards a person who is manifestly attempting to commit a burglary there, or to invade and enter it by violence; if the owner in the use of such force kills such person he does not commit any crime.
A person lawfully defending himself or his habitation is not bound to retreat or to give way to the aggressor before killing him; he is even entitled to follow him and to endeavour to capture him; but if the aggressor is captured or is retreating without offering resistance and is then killed, the person killing him is guilty of murder"


It's possible that English law has changed in the last century on this matter, anything after Irish independence becomes informative, not precedent, for Ireland.


The backstory is a young chap burglarized a home, not realizing the home owner (pensioner) was present. When the pensioner came after him with a knife, the burglar killed him in self defense. The judgement is written in plain English, not legalese, and is a very good summary of the long history of home defense in (primarily) the British Isles. (And, no, the court did not find in favour of the burglar)

And yes, they mention Tony Martin:
But it must always be borne in mind that the burglar must take the occupant as he finds him and that in many cases it will in practice take the deployment of grossly disproportionate force, or evidence of actual malice (as in the well known Martin case in Great Britain) to fix the householder with liability. He or she has, after all, been deliberately subjected to an experience which will shock even the most robust and might make many irrational with terror
 
I agree, but the sad thing is that Castle Doctrine concept came from the mother country. We just don't water it down and it tends to be pretty black and white here. We do not have a duty to retreat in our homes. If I want to use an MPX with 30 rounds of 9mm JHP as a home defense weapon, I am perfectly legal to do so.
Of course. Just lmake an appointment when turning up at someones house otherwise you'll get shot.
 
Of course. Just lmake an appointment when turning up at someones house otherwise you'll get shot.
Not if they knock on the door/ring the doorbell.
 
"Would you like highs with that, sir. Have an ice day." Drive-through drugs; apparently now something in the good ol' US of A. Then again, they do serve hash browns.

'Police are investigating a man’s claims he was handed a McDonald’s drink stuffed with bags of marijuana, which left him “high as a kite” and panicked while he was at work.

'Parrish Brown now believes he stumbled upon a secret drug code, when ordering “extra lemon” with his iced tea. He told the Island Packet he thinks he heard the clerk pause when he ordered the drink late last month. Mr Brown, 24, said the drive-through worker paused before repeating “extra lemon” at a McDonald’s at Hilton Head Island in South Carolina in the US on October 27. He said drinking the iced tea, he noticed it wasn’t giving him a pick-me-up effect, so he lifted the lid and realised it was full of bags of marijuana.'


 
Looking at this tread a bit since it began I have seen posts discussing US policy relative to the deportation of illegal immigrants.
I have seen other posts claiming that the US has never done much of anything against members the IRA, PIRA, RIRA,....(x)IRA and similar groups
Here in the Boston area there was an article about an illegal immigrant who was arrested on state charges (fraud and motor vehicle crimes ) and was turned over to ICE for deportation. He had charges in the UK for a mortar attach on a police station in Tyrone. Apparently the UK released him from prison as they were also releasing a Libyan terrorist (WTF I know, I can't understand that either)
ICE agents took him from state custody and he is apparently headed back across the big pond soon.

Boston Herald
 
I cant help but notice a teeny tiny little bit of bias in the article.

The poor Irish freedom fighter who was only 'accused' of blowing up an empty police station and made a few people say 'Good lord what was that bang?' 'decades ago', yet still ended up doing time for his part in the 'bloody civil war'.
As opposed to the evil Terrorist who killed 270 Americans who did less time.
 
"Would you like highs with that, sir. Have an ice day." Drive-through drugs; apparently now something in the good ol' US of A. Then again, they do serve hash browns.

'Police are investigating a man’s claims he was handed a McDonald’s drink stuffed with bags of marijuana, which left him “high as a kite” and panicked while he was at work.

'Parrish Brown now believes he stumbled upon a secret drug code, when ordering “extra lemon” with his iced tea. He told the Island Packet he thinks he heard the clerk pause when he ordered the drink late last month. Mr Brown, 24, said the drive-through worker paused before repeating “extra lemon” at a McDonald’s at Hilton Head Island in South Carolina in the US on October 27. He said drinking the iced tea, he noticed it wasn’t giving him a pick-me-up effect, so he lifted the lid and realised it was full of bags of marijuana.'


Got caught in a random drug test perhaps and this was the best he could come up with?
 
Looking at this tread a bit since it began I have seen posts discussing US policy relative to the deportation of illegal immigrants.
I have seen other posts claiming that the US has never done much of anything against members the IRA, PIRA, RIRA,....(x)IRA and similar groups
Here in the Boston area there was an article about an illegal immigrant who was arrested on state charges (fraud and motor vehicle crimes ) and was turned over to ICE for deportation. He had charges in the UK for a mortar attach on a police station in Tyrone. Apparently the UK released him from prison as they were also releasing a Libyan terrorist (WTF I know, I can't understand that either)
ICE agents took him from state custody and he is apparently headed back across the big pond soon.

Boston Herald
Here's a couple of Irish news sources:
He was apparently released from prison under the 1998 Good Friday Agreement.
Mr McMenamin was sentenced to 16 years for his role in the bombing but was freed from the Maze in 1998 as part of the Good Friday Agreement early prisoner releases.
and
McMenamin was sentenced to 16 years for his role in the bombing but was freed from the Maze in 1998 as part of the Good Friday Agreement early prisoner releases.
As to why the American newspaper didn't mention the apparently obvious connection to the Good Friday Agreement which the Irish newspapers noted but instead brought in an apparently unrelated Libyan incident is a very good question.


The US are now looking to deport him as part of an immigration crack down, and apparently intend to send him to Ireland. I believe this is routine for foreign criminals arrested in the US, and he was apparently facing fraud and other charges in the US. This is interesting, because according to the news story he is from County Tyrone, which is in Northern Ireland so it's a good question why he is being deported there instead of to the UK.
 

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Here's a thing, on the back of some chat with a Torn player based in South Carolina today...

Stuff we take for granted here - which often is not mirrored Over Yonder.

This is the UK legislation which covers employing ex-cons:

Updated guidance on the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974

I'm guessing the U.S equivalent of our 'Rehabilitation of Offenders Act' varies from state to state rather than a Federally mandated thing ? Probably only in place in the usual Dems-voting states? Kindly doubt Texas is in thar.

We have a highly prejudicial image of the US penal system , gleaned from Hollywood etc....it would never occur to the average Brit that the US has similar (?) mechanisms in place.

Our own penal system ain't nothing to write home about.
 
"Would you like highs with that, sir. Have an ice day." Drive-through drugs; apparently now something in the good ol' US of A. Then again, they do serve hash browns.

'Police are investigating a man’s claims he was handed a McDonald’s drink stuffed with bags of marijuana, which left him “high as a kite” and panicked while he was at work.

'Parrish Brown now believes he stumbled upon a secret drug code, when ordering “extra lemon” with his iced tea. He told the Island Packet he thinks he heard the clerk pause when he ordered the drink late last month. Mr Brown, 24, said the drive-through worker paused before repeating “extra lemon” at a McDonald’s at Hilton Head Island in South Carolina in the US on October 27. He said drinking the iced tea, he noticed it wasn’t giving him a pick-me-up effect, so he lifted the lid and realised it was full of bags of marijuana.'


Part of it is urban myth for sure as I had someone try it on me 20+ years ago. Supposedly if you go to McDonald’s, Wendy’s, etc and order a drink or food a certain way, you will get free drugs with them. It’s a game teens and dimwits play trying to figure out the right combination of words in order to get weed, ex, etc.
 
Thanks for the Irish news links

As to why the American newspaper didn't mention the apparently obvious connection to the Good Friday Agreement which the Irish newspapers noted but instead brought in an apparently unrelated Libyan incident is a very good question.
The Good Friday Agreement was 20 years ago, the reporter was probably in primary school learning to read at the time. Plus, Republic of Ireland is a fairly small country and NI is a even smaller region of another country. It is not like newspapers have specialist reporters covering the UK and RoI

The US are now looking to deport him as part of an immigration crack down, and apparently intend to send him to Ireland. I believe this is routine for foreign criminals arrested in the US, and he was apparently facing fraud and other charges in the US. This is interesting, because according to the news story he is from County Tyrone, which is in Northern Ireland so it's a good question why he is being deported there instead of to the UK.

Well Co Tyrone is in NI, which is part of NI on the island of Ireland, he will be sent back to Ireland, just not the portion that is the Republic of Ireland
Being from the US I am happy to see any criminal who is an illegal immigrant deported. In the majority of cases in my area, when someone is arrested for fentanyl trafficking the names are Latino, many from the Dominican Republic. The problem now is that some cities have declared themselves "Sanctuary Cities" and the police have been ordered not to report arrests to ICE so the city officials can be seen as PC. Here in Massachusetts a police officer is facing discipline including possible dismissal for reporting a fentanyl traffickers arrest to ICE. A couple of months ago a Massachusetts judge was indicted on Federal charges after she saw ICE agents in her courtroom and had her court officer get the criminal before her out of the courthouse and off before the ICE agents could arrest him.
 
Being from the US I am happy to see any criminal who is an illegal immigrant deported. In the majority of cases in my area, when someone is arrested for fentanyl trafficking the names are Latino, many from the Dominican Republic. The problem now is that some cities have declared themselves "Sanctuary Cities" and the police have been ordered not to report arrests to ICE so the city officials can be seen as PC. Here in Massachusetts a police officer is facing discipline including possible dismissal for reporting a fentanyl traffickers arrest to ICE. A couple of months ago a Massachusetts judge was indicted on Federal charges after she saw ICE agents in her courtroom and had her court officer get the criminal before her out of the courthouse and off before the ICE agents could arrest him.
Your whole post is truly shocking. I thought that we in the UK were in trouble but "Sanctuary Cities"
is a new level of dystopia.
 
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Being from the US I am happy to see any criminal who is an illegal immigrant deported. In the majority of cases in my area, when someone is arrested for fentanyl trafficking the names are Latino, many from the Dominican Republic. The problem now is that some cities have declared themselves "Sanctuary Cities" and the police have been ordered not to report arrests to ICE so the city officials can be seen as PC. Here in Massachusetts a police officer is facing discipline including possible dismissal for reporting a fentanyl traffickers arrest to ICE. A couple of months ago a Massachusetts judge was indicted on Federal charges after she saw ICE agents in her courtroom and had her court officer get the criminal before her out of the courthouse and off before the ICE agents could arrest him.
In Canada it is fairly routine for people who are legal immigrants but are not Canadian citizens and who have committed a serious criminal offence to be deported. Once they have citizenship of course they can't be deported, but many of this sort don't bother to apply once they have passed the qualification period.
 

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