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I am not sure if that is true. USS Constitution has always been listed as a frigate but has guns on both the the gun deck and the spar deck.
A great ship to visit if any of you are in Boston. My then wife was attached to Constitution '79-'81 as a public affairs officer, reporting to the CO of Constitution but not ships company. I spent some time on board back then when I would pick her up from work. I would go to the quarterdeck and the watch would call her and say I was there. On a few occasions she would say she needed 20-30 minutes to finish something and I would go down to the orlop deck which is not open to the public and have a coffee. Above that is all historical but the orlop deck is home to the 12 man duty section that sleeps on board and has navy bunks, coffee machine, TV, microwave etc.
I recall my wife was promoted to Lieutenant on board Constitution. It was her first day with two stripes and her first day in maternity uniform. She left active duty about a month before our son was born, stayed USNR for her 20 years.
It was originally launched as a form of capital ship, I think the nearest comparison would be the German pocket battleships of WWII.
 

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Yes I'm sure all the 100 gun ships in the RN were bricking themselves at meeting a 50 gun frigate.
The US Navy frigates like Constitution were faster and outgunned our frigates....no Yankee captain would have put his vessel willingly in the way of a 74 gun ship of the line such as Victory or the Hibernia or Revenge - that wasn't what they were designed to do.

Mostly mounting 32 guns, RN Frigates were commerce raiders and 'the eyes' of a battle fleet. Bit like armoured recce for cav types.

The Constitution mounted 40 guns, as did the other large USN frigates.

Most of them were blockaded in port by several RN ships and/or sunk in single ship actions.

This list shows what the RN strength at sea was at the time of Mr Madison's Wah

List of ships of the line of the Royal Navy - Wikipedia


this list details British ships which were engaged at one time or another during the War of 1812.


Good reference work:

CS Forester : The Naval War of 1812.( non-Fiction)

( re-titled in USA 'The Age of Fighting Sail' because Teddy Roosevelt had written an earlier book of the same title.)

Forester also wrote a novel called 'The Captain from Connecticut' which covers the same period.


A member of the US branch of my family was captured by a British brig off the East coast (HMS Colibri). Bosun's mate on the privateer Catherine .

After capture, he was shipped back to HMP Dartmoor, which had been specifically purpose-built to hold POWs, mostly French.

SOURCE

On 24 July 1812, Colibri sighted three vessels off Cape Sable and gave chase to one, a schooner. When Colibri got close she exchanged signals with the schooner, which turned to be Bream. Colibri then chased and took two other vessels, which turned out to be an American privateer and a bark, her prize. The privateer was the Catherine; eight days out of Boston; she had taken only the bark. Catherine, under the command of Francis A. Burnham, was pierced for 16 guns but mounted fourteen 6-pounder guns and had a crew of 88 men. She had suffered one man killed and one wounded before she surrendered after a 15-minute action. Her casualties were low as the crew had taken refuge below decks.[14] In contrast to Thomson’s official report, one American newspaper reported that the action had lasted one and a half hours and that Colibri had six men killed and several wounded.[15]
 
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Red...the RN has never been 'dry', unlike American ships.

I was told (?) that a US Navy vessel has to be at sea for 31 consecutive days before a beer issue is made.

Current issue for RN junior ranks is two cans of beer a day.

And even smaller ships such as the Type 23s and 45's may have a small canteen onboard operated by Naafi.

The USN is a colossal organisation in comparison with the modern RN - and the US nuclear powered carriers are equally hoooge

eg USS George Washington

-With a combat load, GW displaces almost 97,000 long tons (99,000 t) and can accommodate 6,250 crewmembers.

We don't have an onboard TV station on our ships either !
 
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The US Navy frigates like Constitution were faster and outgunned our frigates....no Yankee captain would have put his vessel willingly in the way of a 74 gun ship of the line such as Victory or the Hibernia or Revenge - that wasn't what they were designed to do.

Mostly mounting 32 guns, RN Frigates were commerce raiders and 'the eyes' of a battle fleet. Bit like armoured recce for cav types.

The Constitution mounted 40 guns, as did the other large USN frigates.

Most of them were blockaded in port by several RN ships and/or sunk in single ship actions.

This list shows what the RN strength at sea was at the time of Mr Madison's Wah

List of ships of the line of the Royal Navy - Wikipedia


this list details British ships which were engaged at one time or another during the War of 1812.


Good reference work:

CS Forester : The Naval War of 1812.( non-Fiction)

( re-titled in USA 'The Age of Fighting Sail' because Teddy Roosevelt had written an earlier book of the same title.)

Forester also wrote a novel called 'The Captain from Connecticut' which covers the same period.


A member of the US branch of my family was captured by a British brig off the East coast (HMS Colibri). Bosun's mate on the privateer Catherine .

After capture, he was shipped back to HMP Dartmoor, which had been specifically purpose-built to hold POWs, mostly French.

SOURCE

On 24 July 1812, Colibri sighted three vessels off Cape Sable and gave chase to one, a schooner. When Colibri got close she exchanged signals with the schooner, which turned to be Bream. Colibri then chased and took two other vessels, which turned out to be an American privateer and a bark, her prize. The privateer was the Catherine; eight days out of Boston; she had taken only the bark. Catherine, under the command of Francis A. Burnham, was pierced for 16 guns but mounted fourteen 6-pounder guns and had a crew of 88 men. She had suffered one man killed and one wounded before she surrendered after a 15-minute action. Her casualties were low as the crew had taken refuge below decks.[14] In contrast to Thomson’s official report, one American newspaper reported that the action had lasted one and a half hours and that Colibri had six men killed and several wounded.[15]
Excellent and informative post without the gratuitous slagging.
 
I think he is referring to the flat tops that they don't have any airyplanes for.
I believe the term is "fitted for, but not provided with"...:-D :mrgreen:
 
I am not sure if that is true. USS Constitution has always been listed as a frigate but has guns on both the the gun deck and the spar deck.
A great ship to visit if any of you are in Boston. My then wife was attached to Constitution '79-'81 as a public affairs officer, reporting to the CO of Constitution but not ships company. I spent some time on board back then when I would pick her up from work. I would go to the quarterdeck and the watch would call her and say I was there. On a few occasions she would say she needed 20-30 minutes to finish something and I would go down to the orlop deck which is not open to the public and have a coffee. Above that is all historical but the orlop deck is home to the 12 man duty section that sleeps on board and has navy bunks, coffee machine, TV, microwave etc.
I recall my wife was promoted to Lieutenant on board Constitution. It was her first day with two stripes and her first day in maternity uniform. She left active duty about a month before our son was born, stayed USNR for her 20 years.
I don't know much about that ship in particular, but a frigate would normally have only one gun deck. That wouldn't rule out having a few guns on other decks, but it does distinguish them from ships of the line with two or three gun decks.
A frigate was a three-masted, fully rigged vessel, with its armament carried on a single gun deck and with additional guns on the poop and forecastle. The number of guns varied between 24 and 56, but 30 to 40 guns were common. Frigates could not stand up to ships of the line in fleet engagements, but, sailing at greater speed, they served as scouts or as escorts protecting merchant convoys from privateers and enemy raiders; they also cruised the seas as merchant raiders themselves.
The same source notes that the term was adopted during the Seven Years War, and faded out in the transition from sail to steam when ships filling that role came to be known as "cruisers". The name made a come back when Britain decided to revive the name for use with anti-submarine escorts which were larger than corvettes (itself being a recycled name).
 
I don't know much about that ship in particular, but a frigate would normally have only one gun deck. That wouldn't rule out having a few guns on other decks, but it does distinguish them from ships of the line with two or three gun decks.
The same source notes that the term was adopted during the Seven Years War, and faded out in the transition from sail to steam when ships filling that role came to be known as "cruisers". The name made a come back when Britain decided to revive the name for use with anti-submarine escorts which were larger than corvettes (itself being a recycled name).
As I recall, USS Constitution had 30 guns on the gun deck and ~20 on the spar deck. In addition there were two small bow chasers and two small stern chasers.
Not sure if they all are still there as in the mid 1990's, when she only had standing rigging, work was done to replace all running rigging and get sails and now Constitution can sail again.

A few years ago Constitution was again in Graving Dock 1, adjacent to her berth, for reduction of hogging and to replace some of the copper sheets protecting the hull. Some of the copper removed had been made by silversmith Paul Revere, American patriot (and British traitor. :-D) I have been told that Graving Dock 1 was built in the late 1820's.
 
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