America - Has it right!

#1
I appreciate that hoodlums in the UK are not as frequently armed as they are over the water, but Im certain that if a mugger in the Uk got killed or wounded then the victim would be before a court to answer for his actions (and probably have top pay the injured party for loss of potential earnings!)

I dont agree with aspects of American culture but things like this make me realise how fu<ked about this country is geting!

Midtown Rambo; Victim Fight Backs, Kills Robber

POSTED: 5:47 am EDT May 30, 2006
UPDATED: 7:49 am EDT May 30, 2006

ATLANTA -- Five robbers picked the wrong victim in Midtown Atlanta last night and one of them paid with her life.

The unidentified victim fought back; killing one robber and wounding another. Three other suspects are in jail.

The victim was walking home after getting off work as a waiter at Jocks and Jills.

The five suspects pulled up in a car and confronted the victim in the 500 block of Penn Street just before midnight.

The victim began running down the street yelling for help. Residents who heard him called 911. While he was running, the victim pulled a pocket knife from his backpack.

Two of the robbers jumped from the car. When one of the robbers pointed a shotgun at him, the victim kicked it out of his hands.

At that point two of the robbers jumped on the victim. During the struggle he stabbed both of them. One, a female, died of her wounds. A second is in critical condition.

Police arrived on the scene and with a description of the car; they quickly arrested the three other suspects.

The victim, who is a former U.S. Marine, will not be charged since police say he was acting in self defense.

So far police have not released his name.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9290011/detail.html
 
#3
In the UK, this happens:

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article621821.ece
The student who was stabbed for trying to break up a fight
By Maxine Frith, Social Affairs Correspondent
Published: 30 May 2006

Thomas Grant was up bright and early on Saturday to catch a train for a well-earned bank holiday break with his family after finishing his first-year exams at university.

The 19-year-old, who had been looking forward to a career in the Army, never arrived at his parents' home in Churchtown, Gloucestershire. He was stabbed as the Glasgow-to-Paignton train travelled through Cumbria and died from a single heart wound before he reached hospital.

The stabbing was witnessed by horrified passengers who saw the student try to break up a fight on the train. Many had to be counselled after the incident. Yesterday his family, friends and teachers were struggling to come to terms with the death. His teachers described him as a role model while his friends simply regarded him as "one of the lads."

Mr Grant was studying history and Arabic at the University of St Andrews in Fife. Charles Jacks, who shared a boarding house with Mr Grant at the fee-paying Oakham School in Rutland, said: "I couldn't believe it at first. It's just the most terrible thing to have happened. It's the most unlikely thing to have happened. We're devastated."

Mr Jacks said his friend had been planning to apply to the Sandhurst military academy after university. "He couldn't wait to go there," he said. "He was a genuine guy. He was a real joker, and really popular."
http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=372355
 
#4
Indeed, this is a problem our country needs to address soon. Too much crap about protecting the rights of criminals rather than the victims themselves and it knocks me sick when the PC brigade are out in full force enforcing their equal human rights bullshit. America has indeed got this spot on.
 
#5
Agreed Pillager.

Was just having a discussion on this same subject a few minutes ago. Had that been the UK, the victim would have had waited a couple years for the legal wrangle of perpetrators' human rights, for them to state that they only attacked the man out of desperation so that they don't return 'home', asylum status details, interference from some senior official from Home Office and so on to be sorted out first, before one wise judge puts the boot in to direct a jury to acquit the man.

Both outcomes for the victim and his attackers bloody excellent.
 
#7
Midtown Rambo; Victim Fight Backs, Kills Robber

The victim, who is a former U.S. Marine, will not be charged since police say he was acting in self defense.

So far police have not released his name.
Kicked the shotgun out of the guy's hands. Good for him. What was the deceased--a female--doing ganging up on this guy while she was pregnant? Darwin at work.
 
#8
Midtown Rambo; Victim Fight Backs, Kills Robber

The victim, who is a former U.S. Marine, will not be charged since police say he was acting in self defense.

So far police have not released his name.
A marine? What was he doing using a knife. We've all seen Con-Air, should have given them some of that palm in the face jive.

Seriously though, good on him. He was lucky it didn't end up with him getting killed if there was a shotgun knocking about the place.
 
#10
Full details:

Former Marine kills would-be robber
Woman, armed men attack waiter walking home

By BILL MONTGOMERY, BETH WARREN
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 05/30/06

A former Marine who police say killed a woman that attacked him during a gang robbery attempt told reporters Tuesday he acted only to save his life.

"My first instinct was to run," said former Cpl. Thomas Autry, 36. "Those kids were younger than me. They caught me and cornered me. It was about life preservation."

"I'm sorry this whole thing happened. I hate this world has gotten to the point where it is predatory," said a shaken Autry.

The pack of would-be robbers, including a 17-year-old woman, might have mistaken the tall, thin, waiter for an easy mark, said police. But, the bandits picked the wrong victim, said Atlanta police homicide Detective Danny Stephens. The former Marine, cornered by his pursuers on Penn Avenue at 4th Street, fought back with a pocket knife in a deadly melee that left the young woman dead and a man in his late teens seriously injured at a hospital.

Autry suffered minor injuries, including a cut to his hand.

The woman, identified as Amy Martin, had just had a birthday May 10, said Investigator Mark Gilbeau with the Fulton County Medical Examiner's Office. An autopsy was expected to be completed Tuesday. "Cause of death will be stab wounds, but we don't know how many yet," Gilbeau said.

Early reports were that Martin was pregnant, but the autopsy concluded otherwise, said the Fulton Medical Examiner's Office.

The teenager lived in an apartment at 3000 Stone Hogan Connector in southwest Atlanta, south of Greenbriar Mall near East Point, Gilbeau said. A young man also stabbed in the robbery attempt remained in critical condition, he added.

The identities of the surviving suspects, who Stephens said are believed to be linked to "a lot" of pedestrian robberies in Midtown and Virginia-Highland, were not released. They face aggravated assault and robbery charges, police said.

Autry will not be charged, Stephens said. "It was a clear case of self defense."

Stephens said Autry had left his job at the Jocks & Jills restaurant in Midtown and was walking along Penn Avenue when a blue Cadillac pulled alongside and three men, one armed with a shotgun, and the woman jumped from the car.

"This group had robbed two men on Piedmont earlier Monday night, taking a video camera and a cellphone," Stephens said.

"Autry takes off running, and they chase him. During the chase, Autry's trying to get into his backpack to get a pocket knife, which slows him down," Stephens said.

During the chase, Autry repeatedly yelled "fire, fire," which Stephens said attracted nearby residents' attention.

Grabbing the knife from his backpack, Autry managed to kick the shotgun from the man's hands and stabbed the woman in the chest, fatally wounding her. Stephens said. In the melee, Autry also stabbed one of the male suspects. Another suspect attempted to shoot Autry with a .380 pistol, which misfired, Stephens said.

The suspects ran back to the Cadillac and drove to Atlanta Medical Center, where police arrested them.

Autry, honorably discharged in 1992 after serving in Operation Desert Storm in Saudi Arabia, spoke to a gaggle of reporters from the porch of his apartment about six block north of the King Center in downtown Atlanta.

Autry recounted the attack, saying he first realize something was amiss when he saw a white cat scurry across the road. That's when he turned around and saw the armed attackers getting out of a stopped car.

He said his military training kicked in, but "what really helped me was growing up in New York."

He said he changed his locks after the incident because of security concerns.

When told that many in the metro area consider him a hero for his actions, Autry disagreed.

"The heroes are those guys out there fighting for us every day and not getting respect," he said, referring to military personnel fighting in Iraq and elsewhere. "That [killing the attacker] wasn't admirable, it was fight or flight and I tried the flight."
 
#14
That guy needs to be commended for his action.
Good work.

Bet you his name was Casey Ryback.

This may be what he looks like, not 100% sure :eek:

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#15
gearupflapup said:
Well done to the ex Marine Cpl, i think we should have more of that on this side of the pond!
The Jarheads are very particular about the use of the phrase 'Ex-Marine'. If honorably separated, they are still Marines, just not serving. They will accept Former Marines to make life easier. Ex-Marine basically means someone who was drummed out of the Corps.

NTM
 
#16
It's certainly different over here. Can I vent for a second? :D

The Tankie and I walked into Boots yesterday, and as we walked in we passed a group of baby chavs dressed in standard issue trainers, tracksuits and fake platinum chains coming out. I swear they couldn't have been more than twelve. And as we pass, one of them (that comes up to about the Tankie's solar plexus, BTW) actually dips his shoulder and rams into the Tankie as he passes, deliberately.

Tankie is, understandably, angry. And the Tankie is a big bleeder. He turns around and starts toward the group, who are now standing in front of the door, looking at us. I grab his arm -- they're kids, they weigh about five stone each, what's he gonna do? So he turns back to me. And as we start to walk away, I hear the one that rammed him say in that annoying London-wish-I-was-South-Central way, "Yeah, you betta walk away, b!tch!"

Oh, really?

I immediately turn around and start back for them. I have no idea what I'm going to do but all I can think about is how if this was my old neighborhood, and I'd done that to a grownup on my street, Mrs. Sanchez from next door (who watched EVERYTHING) would have come out, belted me one and dragged me back to my house by my ear. Where my father would have administered the second part of the beating. I am also thinking about my visa, and wondering: if I grab that little sh!t's arm and wring him out and march him to the nearest cop, will I get deported and/or sued by his chav waster mom?

The junior hard-man sees me coming. He gets that "oh, sh!t" look that shows how young he really is, turns around, walks out of the store. I follow into the promenade. He sees me behind him, then suddenly breaks out into a flat-out RUN for the door of another store and disappears inside.

The Tankie runs out behind me, along with the kid's mates. I tell him that apparently he's not as tough as he thought, considering I am a female with an Alice band in my hair and a purse, and he ran like I was Ricky Hatton.

The Tankie assured me that my instincts were correct, however...had I laid a hand on the poor innocent lamb, who I feel attempted to assault my fiancee, he would undoubtedly be allowed to go while I, or the Tankie, or both, were arrested for child abuse. And I would probably be deported as a felon, while the kid's mom would be compensated by the state for the trauma her little angel had suffered.

Yeah, I know you can't go around disciplining other people's children. But then again, plenty of people did in my neighborhood (the proverbial village) and I don't think it did me any harm. At least I didn't go picking fights in drugstores with people twice my size, knowing that legally they couldn't even defend themselves!

One funny postcript, though: I don't think his mates were too impressed with his running act. As the Tankie and I went back into Boots, one of his friends (a fat grinning ginger tw@t) yells into the store he ran into: "Tyrone, you can come out now, the lady's gone!" :D
 
#18
Hmmmmmm.......

I hate it when I actually have to think about posts... This one atracted me because I thought "No.. In almost everything America tends to have it wrong... so let's take a look.

They got this one right... fair doos. But only because he used reasonable force. If you'd been in UK and your attackers didn't have a shotgun then yep... you're buggered if you kill one of them... and sadly, that concept is right. I am not saying that I like that it's right, but it is.

The real issue is that this all gets really sticky when we apply the same rules to an inadequately trained recruit on Ops. And he's inadequately trained because you simply don't have 2 years to train them up to the same level as coppers but the government expects him to police. I hate seeing our boys in court. But sadly, this is necessary too if you understand that to win hearts and minds, the bad guys also have to have rights. This deseves a thread - I'll see if I can word it right.
 
#19
It can happen across here. A friend of mine got picked on in Luton a little while ago by 5-6 blokes. One of them threw the first punch. Unfortunately they didn't realise he did martial arts (can't remember which one). He ended up flattening all of them. The whole thing was caught on CCTV and the gang were all done for causing an affray.
 

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