Amended Backstop

Leo and Juncker tell the Dail there will be no hard border.

Editorial: 'EU cannot allow us to burn as may fiddles over brexit' - Independent.ie

Woops. Leo's the patsy
It sounds rather like @History_Man 's proposal. There would be no border between Northern Ireland and the ROI, but all goods coming from Ireland go through customs to enter the rest of the EU. The ROI is still in the EU, but goods must go through customs checks to get to the continent.
A forthright and frankly chilling interview with someone described as a "senior EU diplomat&" yesterday came like a glass of cold water in the face. The un-named source said: "In a no-deal scenario, Ireland would have to choose between setting up a physical Border with Northern Ireland and de facto leaving the single market. If there is no physical Border, the customs checks would have to take place on all goods coming from Ireland." So we bring in a hard Border or leave the single market. It's really that stark.
Yes, the EU promised that they would do all that they can. The problem is that they can do nothing.
A spokesman said: "I would point to people who put their names to statements like President Tusk and President Juncker who have repeatedly said the EU is determined to do all it can, deal or no deal, to avoid the need for a Border and to protect peace...". We are in no doubt the EU will do "all that it can" This has never been in question. The difficulty, and it is a grave one, is that it can do nothing. It will not allow a 500km hole to be opened up in the heart of the customs union, should the UK depart messily.
The writer thinks that Ireland has been absolutely shafted by the EU, first over the cost of the Euro bailout a decade ago, and now over Brexit. He feels that other small countries should pay close attention to how Ireland is being (mis)treated.
As the EU frontier is on our side, responsibility for protecting the zone's trade will almost certainly come back to us. European solidarity and fellowship will only get you so far, especially if it comes to jeopardising the integrity of the biggest trading bloc in the world. Ireland has stood by the EU and should not be made to pay the price for another member storming out. We saddled our future generations with debt to protect the euro when the dam threatened to burst a decade ago. Small nations within the EU will be watching closely to see how we are treated. Talk is cheap - and what will it say about the strength of the union if Mrs May fiddles but it is Ireland that burns?"
And the Irish think they have been outwitted by Theresa May's deep insight and steely resolve in making a "€39bn bet" that Ireland and the EU would have to back down on the backstop once the EU was faced with losing all that money.
Had our confidence in our position not been fortified by cast-iron commitments from top brass in Brussels? Perhaps. But across the water, Theresa May and the Ultras had waged a €39bn bet (the price of the EU divorce bill) on Ireland being forced into diluting the backstop once the EU was confronted with the prospect of losing the pot. And with just six weeks to go to Brexit, it looks as if the gamble could pay off.
I'm having trouble squaring that last bit with what ARSE pundits keep saying about her. But then again the Irish always seem to be convinced that when their hopes and dreams don't work out, it's always the fault of the devious and malevolent English who planned it that way all along.

I don't pretend to know enough about the situation to know if things are as portrayed in that newspaper editorial. However, if the solution being adopted is anything like what it appears to be described as, then hats off to History_Man for having pointed this out to us as a possible solution.
 
I don't pretend to know enough about the situation to know if things are as portrayed in that newspaper editorial. However, if the solution being adopted is anything like what it appears to be described as, then hats off to History_Man for having pointed this out to us as a possible solution.
There is one other subtle possibility that no one has mentioned. That the EU reverts to the original purpose of the Customs Union, that of collecting the revenue for access to the SM which isn't the same as controlling trade. After all they have their own backstop-the whole project is limited to how much revenue they can collect. With a recession looming, what do you think would happen to their revenues?
 
Olly fecking Robins agreed to it. Mercifully he does not have executive authority here.
Olly Robbins doesn't ge to say yes, he's a CS. DD agreed to it though.
 
There is one other subtle possibility that no one has mentioned. That the EU reverts to the original purpose of the Customs Union, that of collecting the revenue for access to the SM which isn't the same as controlling trade. After all they have their own backstop-the whole project is limited to how much revenue they can collect. With a recession looming, what do you think would happen to their revenues?
So if the U.K. (and NI) leaves the CU and SM what solution is there that doesn’t require a customs border ?
 
So if the U.K. (and NI) leaves the CU and SM what solution is there that doesn’t require a customs border ?
Go back to first principles. Access to the SM is not dependent on membership, it’sdependent On the duties being paid on the goods. Like I said the CT is fixed. It really is very simple, the E.U. has consistently shifted the goalposts of what the CU is.
 

skid2

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That worked didn't it, the Paisleys are where now in Irish politics? Oh yea, dead and irrelevant!

Unlike the DUP which are very much in power. The official unionists are in tatters, I doubt if they’ll be be able to mount any sort of spirited fight, the key unionists seat will apart from 1 stay DUP.

The other seats will probably stay as they are, except a clever campaign by the Shinners could have them sitting as the main party and sitting with a first minister.

Any threat of that should have the DUP and Sinn Fein describing the job of first minister as a joint first minister. As opposed to what it is now 1st and Deputy 1st, seen as an important distinction.
 
The DUP were the ones that were bribed. A majority of NI voted to remain.
iriot, they conned a Billion out of TM which in context to the overall bill to NI is chicken feed. Course NI didn't want that money did they? Noooo. It's the function of the Governing party in each region, Now just imagine if Wee crankie in Scotland had swallowed their asinine pride- could they have got an extra Billion on top.?
 

skid2

LE
Book Reviewer
You missed all the "investment" since the GFA?
The investment wasn't a bribe. Investment had been coming in since the 70s. The improvement of social and economic conditions went a long way in cutting the legs from under the terrorists. Access to employment and decent housing went a long way in blunting their appeal.
 

skid2

LE
Book Reviewer
As for the border. I said it ages ago that we're looking at the Irish Sea playing a role. The DUP will be bought off or neutered. One of the two,
 
The investment wasn't a bribe. Investment had been coming in since the 70s. The improvement of social and economic conditions went a long way in cutting the legs from under the terrorists. Access to employment and decent housing went a long way in blunting their appeal.
Since 1998
 
The writer thinks that Ireland has been absolutely shafted by the EU, first over the cost of the Euro bailout a decade ago, and now over Brexit. He feels that other small countries should pay close attention to how Ireland is being (mis)treated.
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The E.U. made Ireland borrow money at punitive rates to pay back UK loans that the BoE was ready to write off. What’s that? German banks made a killing?
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
Skid says investment, its nowt but bribes, buy off the Terrs by giving them fat cat jobs and salaries!
 

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