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Am I unreasonable?

BigT

LE
Don't hold your breath if you expect the murdering twot to be chased down and extradited. You would think that in a post 9/11 world that the America would be more amenable to returning marxist terrorists to face justice.In 2002 the year after the attack on the WTC a San Francisco court turned down an extradition request for a known member of PIRA wanted for murder on political grounds. So it's same old same old with regards the boyo's living it up in the states.
 

BigT

LE
I often use the Cain Archive when arguing on other forums with apologists for PIRA/ UDA et al as if you take the time to add up the deaths as I did when I had too much time on my hands you will see that more catholics were killed by republican terrorists than by the British Army and more republican terrorists were killed by factional infighting than by us and the same goes for the prods. I find it usually shuts them up.
 
auxie said:
Things have moved on, get used to it, the general view is that they were combatants in a war, as were we ,now the wars over, so forget it and move on, incidently some people would describe nairac in the same terms as you describe his killers, read this http://gaskinbalrog.blogspot.com/2006/01/robert-nairac-death-of-butcher.html

I am sick to death of nancy girlie feking PC type comments like this on ARRse, Auxie you cnut, try picking up bits of body and leave it in the past, there was never a war in NI just a bunch of jumped up Gansters who blew up many many innocent women and children, and soldiers trying to stop fecking Protestants & Catholics ripping chunks out of each other, BBC hidding Terrorists typical!!!!!!!!!!!!

Combatants!!! they didnt even were a tw@ting uniform, due to their Cowerdice. Cnuts like you should be shot.........
 
I grew up in the thick of an IRA terror campaign,. I was a baby in Northern Ireland, I was 2 years old when a provo bombe detonated down a parade of streets in Lisbur in front of a butchers shop. 73 or 74. I bear the scars on my back.

Growing up in BAOR of the 70s, bomb threats, controlled explosions - I didn't think anything of it as a kid - I realise now that it does have an impact on a persons future life.

Going to the province as a young soldier with an open mind. My mother and my maternal family is catholic, my father a protestant. I am not bias but I did learn to FEAR the Northern Irish catholic population. You just could not trust tham, people wanted to kill me, the same people who shot young men through knees and elbows for petty theft whilst at the same time they peddled drugs to finance the 'struggle'.

FINANCE THEIR LAZY LIFESTYLE AS THEY WERE AND STILL ARE A DRAIN TO HUMANKIND - BOTH SIDES PROTESTANT AND CATHOLIC "FrEeDoM FiGhTeRs" BOOLLOX Murderers and terrorists never are they combatants!

You better watch it pal, you didn't make many, if any friends!!
 
Things have moved on, get used to it, the general view is that they were combatants in a war,

Unless I have missed something significant even that statement is not accurate. To the best of my knowledge none of those that kidnapped Nairac, including Terry McCormick, were members of PIRA at that time. They were in fact just thugs drinking in a pub who attacked and kidnapped a man they were suspicious of. During the programme McCormick stated that even when they eventually murdered Niarac he personally wasn't sure it was a soldier they had. The only PIRA member involved was the one they brought (drunk) to the scene to actually shoot Niarac and the ones who later disposed of the body.

Not sure what part of kidnapping a man because you don't like the questions he's asking, torturing him and then fetching a drunk terrorist to shoot him even though you are still not sure who he is makes you "a combatant in a war".
 

engr172

War Hero
Book Reviewer
auxie said:
you joined the army what did you expect ? ,idiot

Gobshite
 
blue_sophist said:
2. I am in an office in Whitehall when the windows in my office overlooking Whitehall vibrate to the mortar attack on Downing Street.

Small world. I was in the Ops room getting the daily GW1 brief, when it got a bit noisy.
End brief, tactical withdrawal west via Tube whilst the Met did the headless chicken thing. ;)

Got back to Earls Court to be informed of details of bang by a touchingly worried boss.

<wipes tear from eye>
 
Bugsy said:
I beg to disagree, Bugly! You seem to conveniently forget the fact that the IRA didn’t just suddenly appear out of nowhere and for no reason! They were, in fact, the answer for the Catholic minority in Norn Iron to address their real concerns about very basic human and civil rights. Of which they had none! None at all! The IRA, and any other organisations and groupings around them, were initially well received as a real answer to the pressing problems of the Catholic minority, who only wanted to be recognised as human beings and not sidelined by the Loyalists. It was only after a few years that the Republican organisations began to divert to the unacceptable methods they used because they recognised that UK gobment wasn’t interested in human rights, but only in maintaining the status quo in Norn Iron.

Yes but Britain is a democracy and in a democracy you have access to peaceful political means to redress your grievances, that was good enough for the original civil rights movement in the late 60s, early 70s and the SDLP up to the present day.

However terrorism is only an effective tactic against democracies and the real story about the PIRA, OIRA, INLA etc is that they had ambitions to overthrow democratic governments in both parts of Ireland and establish a "socialist" dictatorship on the island - a sort of Cuba in the North Atlantic. In pursuit of that goal the more disruption and havoc they could cause to normal civil society the better. It was not about "freeing Ireland" but about gaining power. Like any group that pursues a violent revolutionary strategy they CHOSE to fight a dirty war. A dirty war that literally blew back in their own faces at times and in which circumstances they would run crying to the International Court of Human Rights.

Of course you can't let the other crowd off the hook either - for example taking to the streets to overthrow the Sunningdale agreement which could have brought us to where we are now 25/30 years earlier. One could go on rehashing all this stuff for ever - like looking at a green snake swallowing the tail of an orange snake which is in turn swallowing the tail of the green snake which is swallowing its tail and so on ad infinitum - most of us are just glad they've stopped murdering each other up there.
 
PE4rocks said:
blue_sophist said:
2. I am in an office in Whitehall when the windows in my office overlooking Whitehall vibrate to the mortar attack on Downing Street.
Small world. I was in the Ops room getting the daily GW1 brief, when it got a bit noisy.
End brief, tactical withdrawal west via Tube whilst the Met did the headless chicken thing. ;)
Got back to Earls Court to be informed of details of bang by a touchingly worried boss.
<wipes tear from eye>
Very small indeed!
IIRC, I was in Air Force Ops, where CAS was visiting. He had to be ushered away from the window as he wanted to see what was happening!
 

Hat20

LE
Bugly said:
Bugsy said:
But much more “telling” is the fact that my uncle, my aunt, my cousin and my sister were topped by the British Army in early 1975.

Arrse's first dead family walt or maybe "topped" is Irish for shagged?
:lol: :lol: 'walt family'Topped by walts?? it gets worse!!
 

Bugsy

LE
big_mad_ejit said:
Bugsy said:
I beg to disagree, Bugly! You seem to conveniently forget the fact that the IRA didn’t just suddenly appear out of nowhere and for no reason! They were, in fact, the answer for the Catholic minority in Norn Iron to address their real concerns about very basic human and civil rights. Of which they had none! None at all! The IRA, and any other organisations and groupings around them, were initially well received as a real answer to the pressing problems of the Catholic minority, who only wanted to be recognised as human beings and not sidelined by the Loyalists. It was only after a few years that the Republican organisations began to divert to the unacceptable methods they used because they recognised that UK gobment wasn’t interested in human rights, but only in maintaining the status quo in Norn Iron.

Yes but Britain is a democracy and in a democracy you have access to peaceful political means to redress your grievances, that was good enough for the original civil rights movement in the late 60s, early 70s and the SDLP up to the present day.
Either this is a monumental try at a blatant pisstake, or you really have absolutely no fückin’ idea about what constitutes a so-called “democracy”.

If you really do believe that the UK is a democracy, then, my friend, I might well have a few bridges at knock-down prices which may interest you.
big_mad_ejit said:
However terrorism is only an effective tactic against democracies and the real story about the PIRA, OIRA, INLA etc is that they had ambitions to overthrow democratic governments in both parts of Ireland and establish a "socialist" dictatorship on the island - a sort of Cuba in the North Atlantic. In pursuit of that goal the more disruption and havoc they could cause to normal civil society the better. It was not about "freeing Ireland" but about gaining power. Like any group that pursues a violent revolutionary strategy they CHOSE to fight a dirty war. A dirty war that literally blew back in their own faces at times and in which circumstances they would run crying to the International Court of Human Rights.
Not about freeing Ireland, but about gaining power. Right. Do you actually read over what you write before you post it? A few preliminary comparative analyses, using your own criteria, might have pointed out just how much of a prat you’ve made of yourself with that.
big_mad_ejit said:
Of course you can't let the other crowd of the hook either - for example taking to the streets to overthrow the Sunningdale agreement which could have brought us to where we are now 25/30 years earlier. One could go on rehashing all this stuff for ever - like looking at a green snake swallowing the tail of an orange snake which is in turn swallowing the tail of the green snake which is swallowing its tail and so on ad infinitum - most of us are just glad they've stopped murdering each other up there.
The Sunningdale agreement – how interesting that you bring that up! If memory serves, it was that outstanding emblem of democracy “dottore” fückin’ Paisley, along with his slimy minions, who decided not to co-operate in that. But please correct me if I’m wrong.

MsG
 
WALT ALERT..........................
 

taylortaylor

War Hero
botfeckid said:
Things have moved on, get used to it, the general view is that they were combatants in a war, as were we ,now the wars over, so forget it and move on, incidently some people would describe nairac in the same terms as you describe his killers,

Feck you you fecking enemy sympathiser.

a)Things may have moved on: I still have the memories of friends dying and maimed whilst trying to bring peace to that benighted province of murderous shites, so I'll choose to 'get used to it' when I meet them in Valhalla - until then, you keep your poisonous fecking balls for the other leftie pinko antiBrit enemies of my people who can FECK OFF to some hole where you're wanted.

b) Of course some people would describe Nairac (note the capital there, you discourteous propaganda peddling fecking scrote) as a terrorist - that's called enemy lying propaganda, and I don't give a flying feck at a rolling donut for their opinions. Feck you, feck the horse you rode in on, and come and meet me once you've got some time in, you fecktasticly arrogant, shite scumm wanky wanky fecking enemy of my state.

Any of that need amplification, shite for brains swine? I hope you die of crawling aids with a dose of syphilis thrown in - but slowly.


What a prat,valhalla indeed!!!
 

RABC

LE
So Bugsy - still maintain 3 members of your family were "topped" by the British Army. (the one you served in, you say). I think you have lost all credibility now.

To lie about something like that says a lot about you.
 

auxie

War Hero
LEGZ30 said:
Things have moved on, get used to it, the general view is that they were combatants in a war,

Unless I have missed something significant even that statement is not accurate. To the best of my knowledge none of those that kidnapped Nairac, including Terry McCormick, were members of PIRA at that time. They were in fact just thugs drinking in a pub who attacked and kidnapped a man they were suspicious of. During the programme McCormick stated that even when they eventually murdered Niarac he personally wasn't sure it was a soldier they had. The only PIRA member involved was the one they brought (drunk) to the scene to actually shoot Niarac and the ones who later disposed of the body.

Not sure what part of kidnapping a man because you don't like the questions he's asking, torturing him and then fetching a drunk terrorist to shoot him even though you are still not sure who he is makes you "a combatant in a war".
i wasnt refering to the nairac case in particular, im merely saying the general view is that they were politically motivated individuals fighting for a cause as they saw it ,whether you agree that is was a cause worth fighting and killing for is another matter, its the old story one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter they would argue that when dealing with britain the lessons of the past and the war of independance in 1920 in particular in which the ira,s terorrist offensive led to to britain surrendering most of ireland suggested violence might prevail, as for nairac he had the misfortune to be sussed out by a few drunk local republican thugs ,however it has to be said that whilst he was undoubtably a very brave guy, he was clearly a loose cannon and totally unsuited to the task of a undercover operator , he knew he had been exposed, yet he carried on playing his own game, his decision to go to that pub close to the border without back up and then start asking the sort of questions he did to locals who he did not know, in a staunchly republican area was reckless in the extreme, however back to the point, the bbc were not wrong to show that programme, as if anything it showed the local ira for what they were and may well lead to interest in the case creating the situation where those suspected of involvement are brought to trial.
 

mysteron

LE
Book Reviewer
Mods - can we delete the Oxygen Thief's posts pse. We all know he is cnut and we aren't going to read his drivel.
 
Did someone fart...?
 

hedgie

War Hero
auxie said:
LEGZ30 said:
i most of ireland suggested .


Auxie

you are talking loads and loads of shite-

Whether you mean to or not is immaterial but you have blantantly insulted

nealry every Serving and Ex member of HM's Forces.

and now, by your blantant lack of respect in writing Ireland with a small I,

you have insulted us Paddie's as well.

Whats next for you. Merkel has a moustache !

PS the Provos and the loyalist terrorist were a murdering shower of

gangsters. Both sets of these scum should be hunted to extinction.
 
Bugly said:
Bugsy said:
But much more “telling” is the fact that my uncle, my aunt, my cousin and my sister were topped by the British Army in early 1975.

Arrse's first dead family walt or maybe "topped" is Irish for shagged?

What is it and the irish about walting on here lately, something in the bushmills?
 
mark1234 said:
Bugly said:
Bugsy said:
But much more “telling” is the fact that my uncle, my aunt, my cousin and my sister were topped by the British Army in early 1975.

Arrse's first dead family walt or maybe "topped" is Irish for shagged?

What is it and the irish about walting on here lately, something in the bushmills?


:slow:

Bugsy, allthough you probably dont want it all on a public board, if that incident really did happen, you really should address this.
Its only going to get worse otherwise.
Im sure a pm or something with the relevant info would clear it all up.
You dont want to end up like caubeen do you?
 
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