Am I the only one that thinks this post is bigoted

Is a) just as vile and racist as b) .

  • Yes, the author is just as bigoted as any skinhead

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  • No, they are completly different.Taz's anger is justified

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#1
A)original post
Taz_786 said:
You've got that bit right, and for the next 500 years as well.

If anyone thinks for one second that the Islamic world is going to just sit on its backside while Bush launches another war of aggression on yet another Muslim country, then they are sadly mistaken.

The hatred and enmity that will follow an attack on Iran is going to last generations and the consequences are going to be disastrous.

Muslims are going to be outraged and quite frankly want blood, and believe you me plenty of infidel blood is going to flow. Boarding a train or a plane is going to be a very hazardous experience for oh the next 100 years or so.

In fact I wouldnt be surprised if there were race riots in Europe, thats what a senior cleric told me he feared most, just the other week.

B)edited for perspective

Taz_786 said:
You've got that bit right, and for the next 500 years as well.

If anyone thinks for one second that the ordinary british people are going to just sit on its backside while Al quida launches another terrorist incidedent on British soil then they are sadly mistaken.

The hatred and enmity that will follow an attack on the UK is going to last generations and the consequences are going to be disastrous.

Brits are going to be outraged and quite frankly want blood, and believe you me plenty of paki blood is going to flow. being out and about is going to be very dangerous for muslims for the next hundred years or so.

In fact I wouldnt be surprised if there were race riots in Europe, thats what a BNP counciler told me he feared most, just the other week.
 
#3
It was part of a very long argument about an attack on Iran.

I was trying to point out that what Taz wrote is just as offensive to most people as what a racist mong would have wrote about muslims.

If I am wrong I will apologise to Taz, but personally when i read his post it made me want to beat him to death with his own shoes.
 

Nehustan

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#4
Personally I think Taz is voicing some of 'the community's' feelings from what he experiences on the ground or by persons from beyond the boundaries of blighty. I imagine its a opinion formed from his listening to 'chatter'. While other people in the thread took it to be a threat, anger, or hatred, I took it to be what it still appears to me. I'd imagine he is relaying opinions he hears often, doesn't mean he wants them to happen, agrees with them, or that they are his. What's the axiom 'don't shoot the messenger'...
 
#5
mark 1234 it hink you have too read the original post in the context it has been used and both statemenrts have a key phrase.


In fact I wouldnt be surprised if there were race riots in Europe, thats what a BNP counciler told me he feared most, just the other week.

In fact I wouldnt be surprised if there were race riots in Europe, thats what a senior cleric told me he feared most, just the other week.

Perhaps the fact that majority of posters have not jumped on Taz_786 for inciting fcuktard thinking in the thread that its been posted in other than perhaps yourself and may be Lipo but then we who knows where his mind is at other than loopy lala land?


edited for bolding error :oops: Doh
 
#6
Halo and nehustan, I do not disagree with the sentinment in taz's post, I think he is right, an attack on Iran would lead to increased terrorist attacks.

I object to the language used and the fact and I got the impression that Taz secretly wanted it to happen.

If I said I would would like to see muslims shot in the street that would also be voicing the view of a minourity community would it not (the racist one), I don''t think that makes it any more acceptable to post that as my own words, regardless of my personal feelings.

Like I said, I will let this poll run and if i am wrong I will offer Taz an apology. I also agree that Lipo is a f**ktard.
 
#7
Doesn't seem racist to me. Maybe a little over generalised but not overtly racist.

We would be kidding ourselves if we think a US led attack on Iran wouldn't ramp up support for jihad in certain sections of muslim communities.

To my eyes, it's no different than expecting an Al Qaeda attack on the US mainland to ramp up US support for the GWOT.

YMMV.
 
#8
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought he was saying that by attacking Iran we would just cause more Islamic hatred of the west. If that is what he is saying then he is right. The fundamentals will use it as an arguement to stir up more hatred of the west just as the BNP would use a terrorist attack to stir up more hatred against the Islamic community.
 
#9
I suppose I was just uncomfortable with someone who aspires to join the royal navy refering to a vast majourity of his future comrades as infidels.

I think the term infidels is the key, it's used from Taz's perspective, not someone elses, whilst it may be a term taking from the koran to describe an unbeliever, in it's modern context is used as a derogatory term for non-muslims the same was as kuffar is.

Maybe I need to adjust my anger settings, but this is what p!ssed me off.
 
#10
mark1234 said:
I suppose I was just uncomfortable with someone who aspires to join the royal navy refering to a vast majourity of his future comrades as infidels.

I think the term infidels is the key, it's used from Taz's perspective, not someone elses, whilst it may be a term taking from the koran to describe an unbeliever, in it's modern context is used as a derogatory term for non-muslims the same was as kuffar is.

Maybe I need to adjust my anger settings, but this is what p!ssed me off.
As I understand it 'infidels' are what the fundamentals call non-believers, I think that is the point he is making.

Time of the month Mark?
 
#11
E-Layer said:
And mate - I just caught your poll questions and so I now find myself wondering why I even bothered to give you some sort of lucid and constructive answer.

You've got a fucking cheek accusing anyone of being a bigot to be honest.

Check out your poll questions.

Check out my avatar.

Check out my signature.

Check out the naughty, evil, racist, bigoted skinhead men :roll:

Then check out how much of a fucking bigot you are yourself.
Keep your hair on baldy :wink:

That was a joke BTW
 
#12
Mark

Trying to work out what originally annoyed you. Your additions would wind anyone up but the original text protrays an accurate picture of many peoples thoughts. It certainly doesn't read as a bigot's rant - your text does.

Why the rather delicate sensitivity you are showing tonight?
 
#13
halo_jones said:
Perhaps the fact that majority of posters have not jumped on Taz_786 for inciting fcuktard thinking in the thread that its been posted in other than perhaps yourself and may be Lipo but then we who knows where his mind is at other than loopy lala land?
Eh - what :? Key setting please
 
#14
E-Layer said:
mark1234 said:
Keep your hair on baldy :wink:

That was a joke BTW
Thanks :|

mark1234 said:
I suppose I was just uncomfortable with someone who aspires to join the royal navy refering to a vast majourity of his future comrades as infidels.

I think the term infidels is the key, it's used from Taz's perspective, not someone elses, whilst it may be a term taking from the koran to describe an unbeliever, in it's modern context is used as a derogatory term for non-muslims the same was as kuffar is.

Maybe I need to adjust my anger settings, but this is what p!ssed me off.
....and it all boils down to what you want to see or how you feel you wish to play the race, creed, disabled, female, lesbian, gay or whatever card it is today doesn't it. For example you used the term Paki in your post, obviously to make a point and clearly in the derogatory way that you would expect to see a UK "Bigot" use it.

I didn't take offence to your use of the term "Brit" though and I don't think others will either - but Brit is to British what Paki is to Pakistani is it not?

....and out of interest are you a muslim?
No I am not a muslim or any religion anymore, the only part of my family that is relegious is my sister in law who is a muslim.

To a certain extent I agree with you, in that our thoughts can't be policed and what we joke about someone else might find offensive.

But being described as an infidel, given what it has come to mean, the killing that has been justified by that word is to me a bit off.

But anyway, I posted this to see if I was being unfair to Taz, and if my anger was misplaced, if I misunderstood him and if everyone else say it as an inciteful commentry of a fundementalist view , I will let the poll run a while and if it turns out I am I will apologise.

I just had the impression Taz was giving us his own view.
 
#16
I have read the initial posts with some sense of confusion. Where is Taz being racist?

If 'The West' attacks Iran there will be a massive backlash in the Muslim world. Ever heard of the fable of the boy who cried wolf? Sadly Tony and George have already lied to the world and so will never be believed, no matter how compelling the evidence (especially as it has been proven that they tried to falsify evidence from Nigeria to name but one example).

'We' attack the persians, even more muslims will become radicalised and we will suffer from an increase in terrorist attacks. As no muslim nation, or alliance of muslim nations, could ever hope to inflict a conventional military defeat on America and her allies, what other recourse do they have?

Anyway Mark, even your altered version holds true. Should there be more terrorist attacks from muslims against the British populace then there is a real risk of a backlash against all muslims in this country.

That is the knife edge upon which our country teeters. Foolish actions by either side will have tragic and self-fulfilling consequences that could turn into a cycle of violence and recrimination that will be almost impossible to break.

Edited to add. I refused to vote on the poll as the options you gave were limited and asinine.
 

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#17
E-Layer said:
Check out your poll questions.

Check out my avatar.

Check out my signature.

Check out the naughty, evil, racist, bigoted skinhead men :roll:

Then check out how much of a fucking bigot you are yourself.
Taking this way, way off thread. Mate, I think it's a bit of a stretch to assume that average bod in 21st Century is going to recognise the Trojan record symbol and your very impressive (and it IS impressive mind!) Rude Boy avatar.

Thanks for the link though, interesting! I was a pint-sized suedehead during the Two-Tone Ska revival in the early 1980's. Just watched "Oi, This Is England", doesn't really feature much of the music, but was still a bit of a flashback.
 

Nehustan

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#18
RP578 said:
E-Layer said:
Check out your poll questions.

Check out my avatar.

Check out my signature.

Check out the naughty, evil, racist, bigoted skinhead men :roll:

Then check out how much of a fucking bigot you are yourself.
Taking this way, way off thread. Mate, I think it's a bit of a stretch to assume that average bod in 21st Century is going to recognise the Trojan record symbol and your very impressive (and it IS impressive mind!) Rude Boy avatar.

Thanks for the link though, interesting! I was a pint-sized suedehead during the Two-Tone Ska revival in the early 1980's. Just watched "Oi, This Is England", doesn't really feature much of the music, but was still a bit of a flashback.
Oh I'm not sure...I had on Jackie Mittoo over the weekend and my daughter (6) was leading the way of her two younger brothers with a rendition of a two step...
 
#19
mark1234 said:
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I just had the impression Taz was giving us his own view.
I cant understand why this has concerned you but this country has one big difference to most 'The freedom of free speech' which makes us GREAT.
 
#20
Oh dear, looks like there's not much support for you there Mark old chap!

Surely you've realised by now that im the ARRSE equivalent of Muhammad Ali? You cant land anything on me. :p

Taz it seems that a lot of people saw your post as a view of a fundementalist and not your own, seems I misunderstood it and I apologise.
I graciously accept. :wink:
 

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