Allies recog 101 - lessons for the gung-ho

#1
It seems that the US military's senior officers have at last realised that Bubba is unable to tell the difference between a group of european (& Fijian) soldiers, dressed in British uniforms, travelling in British military vehicles, and shouting at them in English, from the local insurgents. Lessons in 'how to recognise our allies' start soon.

This from the Times:

US troops get training to avoid friendly-fire attacks on British
By Laura Peek and Michael Evans, Defence Editor


AMERICAN soldiers in Iraq are being given “anti-fratricide” training to reduce the number of friendly fire attacks against British and other coalition troops, The Times has learnt.
Thirty-two “blue-on-blue” attacks on British and other coalition vehicles have been logged in the past twelve months in southern Iraq, Britain’s area of responsibility.



The training was revealed as Washington and Rome announced a joint inquiry into the killing last week of an Italian secret agent when US troops opened fire on the car in which he was accompanying a freed hostage to Baghdad airport.

The inquiry was announced by General George Casey, commander of multinational forces in Iraq, after Gianfranco Fini, the Italian Foreign Minister, had highlighted differences between the American and Italian versions of the incident.

Nicola Calipari, an experienced hostage negotiator, was killed as he protected Giuliana Sgrena, a journalist, who had been held for a month.

On the same day, a 30-year-old Bulgarian machinegunner was shot and killed in a second friendly fire incident, for which US forces were also blamed.

The vast majority of the 32 reported incidents involved American troops opening fire at night-time against suspected insurgents who turned out to be friendly forces, on or near the main route through southern Iraq used by US convoys.

Military officials in Basra, where the British-controlled Multinational Division (Southeast) is based, said that the “vehicle blue-on-blue incidents” in the period from February last year had resulted in ten minor injuries. “There have been no fatalities,” one said.

The officials declined to spell out the injuries received or whether they were all British soldiers, but they confirmed that most of the “firing nationalities” were American. A small number of incidents involved Romanian and Bulgarian troops opening fire.

US commanders were so worried that their men were shooting at the British because they failed to recognise the Union Jack or other distinguishing military markings that, in an unprecedented move, they asked the British Army to supply vehicles, men and flags to teach their soldiers what their allies looked like.

It is understood that the British supplied several “snatch” armoured Land Rovers, the most common vehicle used by British troops on patrol and senior non-commissioned officers, with Union Jacks, to instruct the Americans.

This was in addition to a detailed presentation already provided by the British for all incoming US troops, which outlines what a British soldier looks like, what type of vehicle he drives and what other coalition troops in southern Iraq drive around in.

When asked by The Times about the special anti-fratricide training, which was requested in January, a spokesman for US Army Forces Command at Fort McPherson in Atlanta, Georgia, said: “It is understandable we are doing this. We all want to reduce the number of friendly fire incidents. Checkpoints are very dangerous places. It has come into the headlines with the Italian and Bulgarian, but there are more incidents that do not get publicity and probably do not end so badly.”

British troops have been given warning against approaching American convoys because of the risk of being shot at. They are ordered to slow down to a snail’s pace as they pull alongside a convoy. They are told to display the Union Jack and shout that they are British. “The problem is that most of these incidents happen in the dark,” a military source said.

A British officer in Basra said: “The Americans can be pretty pumped-up. Sometimes they fire in broad daylight when we are travelling at two miles per hour, shouting that we are British out of the window and waving the Union Jack. If they shoot, our drill is to slam on the brakes and race in the opposite direction.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-1517327,00.html
 
#5
If you got post to anywhere near the Yank, you got to get use being shot at by them. Just pray that they miss and with nothing bigger than the M19 40mm laucher.

By the way, may be we should dress in Red Coat it may help their recongisation
 
#6
growler said:
Isn't the Union flag part of the state flags of Texas & Hawaai?
Texas is 'the lone star.'

Hawaii

Hawaii's state flag resembles the Union Jack of Great Britain because many of King Kamehameha's advisors were British and the islands were once placed under England's protection.

The flag consists of eight horizontal stripes, representing the eight major islands, and the British Union Jack. It has served as the flag of the kingdom, republic, territory, and the state of Hawaii.
 
#7
growler said:
Isn't the Union flag part of the state flags of Texas & Hawaai?
Hawaii yes, Texas no.

I agree, this is a disgrace. Those soldiers that shot at the Brits should be court martialed, for being poor shots.
 
#8
Corporal said:
I agree, this is a disgrace. Those soldiers that shot at the Brits should be court martialed, for being poor shots.
youd end up with an army the size of Luxemburgs if you CM'd all the septics who couldnt shoot straight! :lol: :lol:
 
#9
Perhaps we should fly the Confederate flag as well as Union flag. The Good Old Boys will surely recognise that. What about the old lady who wrapped herself in the flag and said something about "Shoot if you must this old grey head......."
 
#10
This is nothing new, the blue on blues i mean. It's been commented on at least as far back as WWII. So what is it about the US soldier and his training that has given them such a reputation?
 
#11
I think shouting "no nos tire son británico" at the US Army would help, I understand spanish is more widely understood than English in the US Army.
 
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#12
I remember some septic cocking his gympy and taking a lead on a lynx flying over us in Telic 1. Normally I would mind having a pop at the crabs but this was in broad daylight, it was covered in roundels and we were still in kuwait!

They get no AFV trg so what do we expect?
 
#14
Real US AFV rec training lesson in the Gulf (first time round)

Ins: OK, next one, T55, Floppy tracks...

Everyone: Blow it away

Ins: Next......






I am NOT joking, Serious face >>>> :|
 
#15
come_to_arrest_the_zulus said:
Das Stab said:
They get no AFV trg so what do we expect?

seriously??? 8O
Semi-seriously. It depends on who they are, but generally it's fairly much restricted to US AFVs. Certainly the reports at the time of Warriors during GW1 and the Canadians who got shot up on exercise, cited the fact that the Air National Guard pilots had no formal AFV recognition training on the vehicles which they attacked... :roll:

I stand to be corrected.
 
#16
The problem is the often blinkered approach to areas, US tends to like the idea that the only guys with guns in their TAOR are yanks, everyone one else is the enemy and shouldn't be there
 
#17
Brit Recognition lesson number one.

So here is a picture of a British Soldier in issue kit, DO NOT SHOOT these guys.

However there are a couple of variations:

They might not be wearing helmets, if not they will be wearing:

Berets - Beige, green, black, dark blue, light blue, maroon - with a badge, small, big with or without feathers.

or maybe some more eccentric thing with tartan and more feathers - perhaps antlers.

or maybe a soft hat - green / perhaps black if it's dark.

However they will be wearing this desert DPM kit, unless they aren't when it will be green but still in DPM - unless it's not.

But the webbing is all the same - oh hang on - some of them wear chest rig with knives and things and other very exciting other bits and pieces. Boots are a personal choice so don't look there.

However they all speak English, unless they are Scottish and speak in obscenities or Welsh and speak in drool, perhaps they are Irish and speak in jokes. They are all white however - apart from the asians and the black guys.

Fortunately their vehicles are all the same as demonstarted by this 36 slide presentation on the "Land Rover".

So there we go - easy don't shoot anyone wearing anything like any of the above.

Look forward to your next lesson "Drinking with British Soldiers and the shock of capture".
 
#18
LostBoss said:
Brit Recognition lesson number one.

So here is a picture of a British Soldier in issue kit, DO NOT SHOOT these guys.

However there are a couple of variations:

They might not be wearing helmets, if not they will be wearing:

Berets - Beige, green, black, dark blue, light blue, maroon - with a badge, small, big with or without feathers.

or maybe some more eccentric thing with tartan and more feathers - perhaps antlers.

or maybe a soft hat - green / perhaps black if it's dark.

However they will be wearing this desert DPM kit, unless they aren't when it will be green but still in DPM - unless it's not.

But the webbing is all the same - oh hang on - some of them wear chest rig with knives and things and other very exciting other bits and pieces. Boots are a personal choice so don't look there.

However they all speak English, unless they are Scottish and speak in obscenities or Welsh and speak in drool, perhaps they are Irish and speak in jokes. They are all white however - apart from the asians and the black guys.

Fortunately their vehicles are all the same as demonstarted by this 36 slide presentation on the "Land Rover".

So there we go - easy don't shoot anyone wearing anything like any of the above.

Look forward to your next lesson "Drinking with British Soldiers and the shock of capture".
Quite exellent! :D :D :D
 
#19
wellyhead said:
The problem is the often blinkered approach to areas, US tends to like the idea that the only guys with guns in their TAOR are yanks, everyone one else is the enemy and shouldn't be there
If reports are correct, it doesnt only happen in their TAOR
 
#20
I hope things have improved since my day, but while in the TA we received almost no AFV training. While at the depot on recruit cadre I realised that my knowledge of tanks from schoolboy wargaming superceded any of the NCO's or even the OC in charge of the training company. Later back in my own unit, after correctly identifying 20 slides that the Training Team didn't have a clue about, I took over the lecture myself. During Exercise Lionheart in 1984 they were attacked by APC's of unknown type and nationality. Even after asking them for a description it was was impossible to tell what they were. This was appalling from 20 year veterans who were allegedly grade two! "If it's green it's ours. If its got a round turret it's Russian." was about the limit.
 

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