Allez les bleus! Do the French have bigger balls than us?

In spite of the 'cheese-eating surrender monkey' jibes, the French seem to be exhibiting a lot more cojones than most these days. As reported in 'i' newspaper on Sat 29th November:

France has warned that it will recognise a Palestinian State if a final international effort to overcome the impasse between Israelis and Palestinians failed. A recent opinion poll showed that 63% of French people supported a Palestinian State.
The Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has called the move 'a grave mistake.'

On top of suspending the delivery of a warship to Vlad over the situation in Ukraine, and going it alone in some African adventures, les bleus seem to be pretty keen to grasp the nettle over some issues that many western governments are keen to stand back from.

There's nearly always a hidden agenda, any ideas from the Arrse public gallery?
 
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Auld-Yin

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France has always sympathised with the Palestinian cause - why do you think Arafat used France as his bolt-hole and where he went for medical treatment?
 
Took them long enough to decide not to deliver the assault ships to Vlad, though. They spent the last six months saying the deal was going through.
 

RP578

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France has always sympathised with the Palestinian cause

Actually it hasn't. Up until the late 1960s when it was overtaken by the US, France was the lead supplier of military supplies to Israel. The shift came with De Gaulle's arms embargo to the entire region following the 1967 War.
 
They certainly had a huge pair when it came to the burka.
 
Actually it hasn't. Up until the late 1960s when it was overtaken by the US, France was the lead supplier of military supplies to Israel. The shift came with De Gaulle's arms embargo to the entire region following the 1967 War.

I was thinking that, how come so many mirages chasing MiGs, and AMX13s chasing T55s if France was always so pro-Palestinian. The IDF's airborne line up in the Pearl Harbour re-run of June 1967 was almost entirely French; Mirage III, Mystere, Ouragan and Vatour.
De Gaulle's arms embargo was a (principled?) bold move when you consider how many export dollars that must have cost.
 
In spite of the 'cheese-eating surrender monkey' jibes, the French seem to be exhibiting a lot more cojones than most these days. As reported in 'i' newspaper on Sat 29th November:

France has warned that it will recognise a Palestinian State if a final international effort to overcome the impasse between Israelis and Palestinians failed. A recent opinion poll showed that 63% of French people supported a Palestinian State.
The Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has called the move 'a grave mistake.'

On top of suspending the delivery of a warship to Vlad over the situation in Ukraine, and going it alone in some African adventures, les bleus seem to be pretty keen to grasp the nettle over some issues that many western governments are keen to stand back from.

There's nearly always a hidden agenda, any ideas from the Arrse public gallery?

So the French have got 'balls' because they're following our lead re Palestine (see here: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29596822), they first thought they could make a few francs out of the Russians and after 6 months of pressure caved into to international demands and - what was the 3rd thing?
 

ugly

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The French don't do anything for anyone else unless there is a massive bill attached! You may not see it at first but its always there!
 
So the French have got 'balls' because they're following our lead re Palestine (see here: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29596822), they first thought they could make a few francs out of the Russians and after 6 months of pressure caved into to international demands and - what was the 3rd thing?
But what MPs might want, and what is government policy, are not necessarily the same . .

" Current UK government policy is that it "reserves the right to recognise a Palestinian state bilaterally at the moment of our choosing and when it can best help bring about peace" ".
 
France has always sympathised with the Palestinian cause - why do you think Arafat used France as his bolt-hole and where he went for medical treatment?

Not forgetting numerous other mad mullahs over the years including Khomeini of Iran.
France has always been somewhat anti semitic going back to this
"One of the most famous examples of this phenomenon was the Dreyfus affair in France, which began in the late 19th century when Captain Alfred Dreyfus, a Jew, was imprisoned for allegedly communicating secret military information to the Germans. After 12 years, it was finally concluded that the allegations against Dreyfus were completely unfounded.
News of the anti-Semitic military court’s framing of Dreyfus and suppression of significant information eventually surfaced, largely due to an open letter published in the French press by eminent author Emile Zola. Titled J’accuse, the letter accused the authorities of blatant anti-Semitism."
Then of course the fairly enthusiastic deportation of Jews to death camps by the Vichy govt. in WW2.
 
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alib

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France has warned that it will recognise a Palestinian State if a final international effort to overcome the impasse between Israelis and Palestinians failed. A recent opinion poll showed that 63% of French people supported a Palestinian State.
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What balls! As there is not a snowball's chance that anything will be agreed they funked when they made it conditional.
 

RP578

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France has always been somewhat anti semitic ...
Oh I don't know. They elected Léon Blum three times over after all. The anti-semitism in pre war France was pretty much the preserve of the Catholic right wing very much in the Father Coughlin tradition and which naturally flourished under the Vichy regime. We all like to think that us Brits would have behaved better had we been invaded, but we had our fair share of blackshirted sympathisers too.
 

alib

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Not forgetting numerous other mad mullahs over the years including Khomeini of Iran.
France has always been somewhat anti semitic going back to this
"One of the most famous examples of this phenomenon was the Dreyfus affair in France, which began in the late 19th century when Captain Alfred Dreyfus, a Jew, was imprisoned for allegedly communicating secret military information to the Germans. After 12 years, it was finally concluded that the allegations against Dreyfus were completely unfounded.
News of the anti-Semitic military court’s framing of Dreyfus and suppression of significant information eventually surfaced, largely due to an open letter published in the French press by eminent author Emile Zola. Titled J’accuse, the letter accused the authorities of blatant anti-Semitism."
Then of course the fairly enthusiastic deportation of Jews to death camps by the Vichy govt. in WW2.
Well yes, but as some Frog wingnut pointed out recently it was mainly foreign Jews Vichy eagerly herded up for gassing... so that's all right then.
 

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