All to easy to go on the BIff!!!!

#1
Im sorry for all those who are genuinley injured as this doesnt apply to you, but having just come from blandford i found that there are a select breed off people who will do any thing to get out off PT, and the doctor just seems to renew there biff chits so they can continue in being lazy fcuks!!!know of many people who are so called injured, and these injuries seem to occur before PT, or exercise, or CO's run- anyone spot a pattern??? being fairly new in the army im wondering if this is a wide spread eppidemic throughout the whole army??? Surely when you join the army you know that you are going to have to keep fit, and take part in PT!!
For the record i have nothing against those who are genuinley injured, just know off a few who have done only 1 PT session in a whole year, whilst apparently injured with a bad hip, yet at the weekends they a grooving on the dance floor.
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#2
Nothing new here, has been going on for years.
 
#3
been done lots of times in my unit, two of which spring to mind. when there is pt on in the mornings they are always outside the MO's for treatment. yet when we are lifting kit they are there making themselves look goog and keen to help.
 
#4
Its a tri-service epidemic. Doctors and medical staff are so closely scrutinised now that you have no choice but to take their word for it unless you are 100% sure. Thats why the un-diagnosible problems like back and knee problems are such a easy way out for them.
The pay review board were asked yesterday in a briefing if they could be stripped of their "x factor" from their pay due to them not really earning it as they aren't deployable or subject to the same conditions as others, the response? We're looking into it but legally we can't follow it through at the minute. Maybe hope on the way though.
 
#5
I'm being posted to a new unit soon and they seemed quite surprised that as a SNCO i was still FE. Having done nearly 20 years now i've always been FE though. I know that there are malingerers out there but even so.
 
#6
So whats the solution then?
 
#7
I don't think that there is a solution to it, it's been with us for as long as i can remember.

They even run Senior promotion courses now for non FE personnel, i guess that they can't be seen to be discriminating.

There was the age old arguement about not allowing people to gain their next pay increment level but once again it's discriminatory.

How would you differentiate between somebody who is genuinely injured and a malingerer?
 

Legs

ADC
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#8
"Ah, 'twas always thus, and always thus shall be."

Since the MoD lost Crown Immunity they must take care. Not only of the soldiers, but the bank balance.

If a Doc says "Be a man and work through the pain, and get on that tab", and young Pte Bloggs gets injured, then there is going to be a huge amount of cash paid out. So Doc says "Hmmm, nothing major, and he is being a whimp, but to cover my arrse I'll give him a sick chit".

Pte Bloggs sees how easy it is, and then the next hard tab, tries the same trick because it's a little chilly, and the dampness in the air might make his hair frizz.
 
#9
All wimps now, that's what they are. Now in my day (just give that lamp a bit of a nudge, Jimbo), the RSM would announce a 5-miler for that morning. Cue at least 30 skivers suddenly developing ghastly limps or holding shoulders, hips, backs etc. All to no avail. Everybody went on the run.

I'd forgotten how comfortable these sandbags are. :D :D :D

MsG
 
#10
Solution? Rehab PT - ie everybody with a sick chit of any description (even if its laminated) attends PT twice a week with the physio/RI and PTI's - no excuses unless you're in hospital or sick at home. everyone works to their max capacity once rehab complete step up to remedial PT until fully fit. if never fully fit (ie perm downgraded) a chance to improve/maintain fitness without risk of injury. Everybody should be able to do something

Or revolving doors on the med centre!!!


Crabmabb - can't take away the x-factor? for the TA if you don't make the grade you don;t get you CO's cert of efficiency which means 2 things - you are considered not fit for role/deployment and you don;t get your bounty. I was always led to believe that the bounty is the part timers equivalent of the x-factor ie its a bonus for being as you say deployable and subject to the same conditions as others. If we can lose it why can't the regs.
 
#11
Is the solution not to just give the sickys really shit duties until they recover? Ones that last long after the PT is over and into Naafi time. Sounds like a plan to me..
 
#12
mcclurg said:
Is the solution not to just give the sickys really s*** duties until they recover? Ones that last long after the PT is over and into Naafi time. Sounds like a plan to me..
So you'd be happy with the lads and lasses currently suffering in Selly Oak (for example) to get crap jobs till they are fully fit? how about LCpl Beharry VC, I remember reading in one of his interviews that he still gets pains from injuries sustained. If he were downgraded for it would you give him shit tasks? where do you draw the line? who decides which people do the shit tasks?
How about we get a 'subject matter expert' in for deciding what people are capable of doing, say someone who's done several years study for the task?
They could then issue some kind of chit that would show what they are capable of. :D
 
#13
ninekphysio said:
Solution? Rehab PT - ie everybody with a sick chit of any description (even if its laminated) attends PT twice a week with the physio/RI and PTI's - no excuses unless you're in hospital or sick at home. everyone works to their max capacity once rehab complete step up to remedial PT until fully fit. .
I could do with some of that.
Spent plenty of time running, invested in a nice new pair of saucony's, got some nice runs planned out...
...two weeks later, shinsplints, or what the guy at the running shop thinks is shinsplints. Erk! :x

Anything which could sped up rehabilitation for my quitter weakling legs ( :p ) would be appreciated. RICE won't increase my endurance/speed :x .

I used to be a right little workshy squidling. PT put the fear of god into me.
These days, I want to do it properly, and as soon as I make an effort, like a tw@t, I go and overdo it and now i've taken myself out of the running - aha ha - for at least a week or two.

Squid.
Pished orf, and willing to PAY for some type of rehabilitation type thing.
 
#14
Squiddly said:
ninekphysio said:
Solution? Rehab PT - ie everybody with a sick chit of any description (even if its laminated) attends PT twice a week with the physio/RI and PTI's - no excuses unless you're in hospital or sick at home. everyone works to their max capacity once rehab complete step up to remedial PT until fully fit. .
I could do with some of that.
Spent plenty of time running, invested in a nice new pair of saucony's, got some nice runs planned out...
...two weeks later, shinsplints, or what the guy at the running shop thinks is shinsplints. Erk! :x

Anything which could sped up rehabilitation for my quitter weakling legs ( :p ) would be appreciated. RICE won't increase my endurance/speed :x .

I used to be a right little workshy squidling. PT put the fear of god into me.
These days, I want to do it properly, and as soon as I make an effort, like a tw@t, I go and overdo it and now i've taken myself out of the running - aha ha - for at least a week or two.

Squid.
Pished orf, and willing to PAY for some type of rehabilitation type thing.
To get over my splints, I put my feet shuolder width apart facing forward, and rise up on my toes 10 times, slowly lowering yourself each time. After that, apply an ice pack for 10-15 minutes, no longer though, or else you'll get frostbite ;)
 
#15
Always been a problem and always will be, it does seem to be getting worse though, lads getting posted in from training who can't pass a PFT. That's not down to injury, it's down to being idle and being able to get away with it from day 1 in basic training. If you don't pass MATTs you don't leave depot would be one way of weeding the idle bastards out
 
#16
Fcuking work shy lazy mongaloids... :x

We have so many young guys going "Sick" and i use that word very loosely.
It does effect moral amongst the Toms, especially come near the weekend,
when i have to "Dick" a tom for weekend Guard duty.
Because some whinging no spine of a tom, decides to try and pull the wool,
So near to the weekend.

I also have a gripe against the fcuking MO who just seems to dish out Biff Chits at the drop of a hat...W@nker.. :roll:

It is something that is rife in todays...Softly softly army... :evil:
 
#17
Simple solution as seen at many units.

If they are on the biff, then they do what they can. If they can't run then upper body is good, or what have you.

If they are unable to do PT at all, then they should parade and an alternative (but not stupid) activity be planned. ie. MATTs, or something that benefits the unit or them, such as lessons on kit/etc by them or for them (seen one unit do that).

If Pte Beharry VC was in the gym, I would say the same to him, if he is genuinly worse off he should be bedded down surely.

Keeping fit whilst on the biff is important, as it helps you when you get back to fitness, you aren't too far behind the squad.
 
#18
Don't forget that due to the lack of Medical Officers some Med Centres are relying on Civi Drs. It can be difficult to educate these Drs that there is no need to excuse someone all duties as there is plenty to be done in any unit that doesn't require a fully fit soldier. Only excuse them those duties they can't or shouldn't do because of their condition/illness/injury.
It also needs units/commanders to understand that there are many cases where people do need to be excused all, or specific duties. Take a recent case where a lad working in one of the messes, with galloping D&V (technical term that is) he was given a whole day off which resulted in 4 phone calls by various people checking up that it was necessary.
We need some common sense on both 'sides' and perhaps not to see medical staff as the enemy. (the same for medical staff not to see SSMs/RSMs as the enemy too)
 

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#19
ninekphysio said:
Solution? Rehab PT - ie everybody with a sick chit of any description (even if its laminated) attends PT twice a week with the physio/RI and PTI's - no excuses unless you're in hospital or sick at home. everyone works to their max capacity once rehab complete step up to remedial PT until fully fit. if never fully fit (ie perm downgraded) a chance to improve/maintain fitness without risk of injury. Everybody should be able to do something
Brillian Idea, wish it was done in my day. I picked up an injury that was left to get worse had a load of orthopeadic work on the recommendation of the MO and ended up in civvie street. Still carry the scars and the injury. But if i had been able to work on the original injury with some remedial work and some local physio maybe things would have worked out differently.
 
#20
Thanks, I'll give that a go :) .
EDIT: The Icepack and exercises, not the frostbite :) .

UPDATE. Spent some time following advice, exercising upper body only, and starting to get back into running. But I notice that while most of the pain from my shins is gone, there is one particular muscle running along the inside of my right shin, that still hurts when I run.

Obviously I want to get back into running ASAP, and the pain isn't intolerable, but I don't know whether this is still shinsplints or whether it ever was, or if it isn't, what it is and how I can sort it :( . Painful area is about 6 long, fron halfway down my shin to about 3 inches above the inside my my ankle :( .
 

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