All medical chat and queries in here. Please don't start a new one for every single medical question.

I’ll tell you what’s an even bigger waste of time.Disputing the standards because you think it's not fair.

Whether or not you slipped through a net and tried & failed to become a bootneck is irrelevant. If you had the minerals to get your green lid you’d have your green lid. So shouting about making it to week 25 is pointless.

Something in your medical records has flagged that suggests that you’ve suffered from a back problem that:
1) Prompted you to visit a doctor in the first place.

2) Is concerning enough to grade you medically unsuitable.

What you would be better putting your energy into would be to compling evidence through sound clinical facts that you are six years clear of the issue, there is absolutely no ongoing treament, you've had no issues in RM training (expect giving up) and you have never suffered with recurrent back pain.

Imagine failing the medical suitability for not reaching standards outlined- the cheek of them.
That's not what I'm doing. There is nothing in my record even stating i have conditions equal to what is considered a bar to entry. I went to the doctor 6 years ago about back pain, no repeat visits since. The medical standards state 'lasting longer than 3 years' so this is clearly not me appealing against the medical standards. And I'm not shouting about anything and never said I got to week 25 either but you imagine what you want. I attended my RM medical with evidence that I had no issues hence why I didn't get held up there. Arguably RM selection is much more physically demanding than the army's hence why I believe this is a bit of a joke. As for the sly digs about me in the RM that is very poor. I thought this site was to help people but obviously that isn't the case. I'm also guessing that you've never attempted anything similar to that, or failed also, hence the bitterness. For the record, I never 'gave up', it's just not in me to do so. To be honest it's just plain unnecessary making me wonder why someone such as yourself lurks on a website such as this, as if you haven't got anything better to do?

Anyhow, if you can't see why I'm disappointed at getting an automated rejection about something that doesn't even exist without them looking any further into my medical record, despite me undertaking something much more physically demanding with no clear issues and for them not even to consider this, I think it's just a way of swiping through the many applications. Rejecting those who just may have something slightly wrong with them and seeing if they want it enough to appeal. If someone broke their arm when they were 6 does that mean that they can't join due to risk of further injury? That's how mad it is.
 
1) Six months equates to about week 25.

2) Wrong the JSP states -
Musculoskeletal disorders

Any abnormality that interferes with the ability to undertake military training.
Spinal abnormalities. Certain spinal operations. Recurrent back pain or sciatica.

3) I have frontline medical experience ranging from operational deployment to Afghanistan. I’ve lost two of my multiple to horrific injuries.


I have worked within a phase one medical centre- doing yep, you guessed it recruit medicals. The owner of the site is aware of my background.

4) Regardless of whatever sob story you have- you didn’t make it as a bootneck. Simple.

5) Perhaps learning not to be so easily upset might help. From your online attitude alone I think it’s likely you’ll remain on this side of the wire. Remember- it’s not a grand conspiracy to keep you out. Standards are standards.


6) Capita are bound by the standards set to them by the Armed Forces- you must go out of your way to join, the emphasis is on you to provide evidence- not the military to find evidence. Your broken arm anology is ridiculous and here’s why- previous back issues often provides strong evidence that a history of back pain is the best predictor of future problems.

7) The more supporting evidence you have in proving your trip to the doctor for this one off condition/injury is fully recovered with no long term chance of recurrence the better chance you’ll have.

8 ) The Army is rightly very risk averse when it comes to spine injuries due to the demands of the job.

9) Candidates with a history of a prolonged period of back pain (greater than 6 weeks) or three or more episodes of back pain will be graded P8

10) Shame you jacked it all in/were binned. What could of been eh.

Best of luck- you clearly need it.

If it would help having the guidance JSP notes on back pain just ask.
 
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For all whom it concerns & assists.


JSP policy guidance in relation to back/spinal issues states-

Back pain. The existing literature provides strong evidence that a history of back pain is the best predictor of future problems - most notably frequency and duration of attacks, time since last attack, presence of radiating leg pain, back surgery and time off work.

Height, weight and general fitness levels together with radiological findings have little or no predictive value for future episodes. However, the study populations used to derive this evidence are not necessarily representative of the service population (age, gender, activity levels) of potential recruits, and the effects of load carriage has not been assessed. Although 90% of cases settle within 6 weeks, a conservative approach is nonetheless justified.

Candidates with no more than two uncomplicated episodes of minor back pain without structural cause in the previous 12 months and who are now asymptomatic with activity comparable with military service for a minimum of 6 months may be graded P2 (Fit) provided the triggering event indicates that the individual is not at undue risk of recurrence.

Candidates with a history of a prolonged period of back pain (greater than 6 weeks) or three or more episodes of back pain should be graded P8
If you provide sound evidence to the contrary you will have no issues.

Quote is taken from latest edition of the JSP. From experience a one-off issue is unlikey to fail an appeal.
 
1) Six months equats to about week 25.

2) Wrong the JSP states -
Musculoskeletal disorders

Any abnormality that interferes with the ability to undertake military training.
Spinal abnormalities. Certain spinal operations. Recurrent back pain or sciatica.

3) I have frontline medical experience ranging from operational deployment to Afghanistan. I’ve lost two of my multiple to horrific injuries.


I have worked within a phase one medical centre- doing yep, you guessed it recruit medicals. The owner of the site is aware of my background.

4) Regardless of whatever sob story you have- you didn’t make it as a bootneck. Simple.

5) Perhaps learning not to be so easily upset might help. From your online attitude alone I think it’s likely you’ll remain on this side of the wire. Remember- it’s not a grand conspiracy to keep you out. Standards are standards.


6) Capita are bound by the standards set to them by the Armed Forces- you must go out of your way to join, the emphasis is on you to provide evidence- not the military to find evidence. Your broken arm anology is ridiculous and here’s why- previous back issues often provides strong evidence that a history of back pain is the best predictor of future problems.

7) The more supporting evidence you have in proving your trip to the doctor for this one off condition/injury is fully recovered with no long term chance of recurrence the better chance you’ll have.

8 ) The Army is rightly very risk averse when it comes to spine injuries due to the demands of the job.

9) Candidates with a history of a prolonged period of back pain (greater than 6 weeks) or three or more episodes of back pain will be graded P8

10) Shame you jacked it all in/were binned. What could of been eh.

Best of luck- you clearly need it.

If it would help having the guidance JSP notes on back pain just ask.
Consider me proved wrong. My initial post was slightly out of frustration, just my experience with the whole application process has been a bit negative compared to the Navy’s. It’s taken 3 months just to get my medical report sent off, for example.

Completely understand why the standards are there and why they’re particularly sketchy with regards to back injuries but I still feel as if sending an automated rejection due to a doctors appointment 6 years ago is extremely durastic and I’m certain I can get it overturned with evidence to prove but it’s a hurdle I could’ve really done without.

My ‘online attitude’ Was only due to the sly digs with the marines which were completely unnecessary. Trust me when I say my failure to make it with them is my biggest regret, even though I feel the circumstances for this were maybe beyond my control. I’m unsure as to why you’d refer to this for no reason other than to provoke a reaction which you got.
Anyhow, thanks for your ‘help’ and I’ve already made a start on this appeal.
Many thanks.
 
Your best bet is to visit your GP and obtain all the relevant clinical notes.

Frustrating yes but its necessary for good reason. Believe it or not a main factor is your own welfare.
 
I'm currently awaiting on my level 1b appeal to see if I'm successful to join or at least get to the assessment centre.
To give you a short brief summary I got rejected due to a past eating disorder in 2010. I have went privately spending nearly £900 to get evidence to support my appeal which I saw a professional doctor went through my notes etc and he has done a report supporting me it wasn't serious I just came out a toxic relationship and my mum had cancer I just couldnt eat reason being I went skinny not because I wanted to anyway lasted four months if your Lucky and have never had any problems since then apparently back then that's what they said it was anoxeria but the professional doctor I went to see for an assessment said it was stress related etc.
Also I endometriosis removed as I had slight pain nothing I couldn't handle but got told to go for a key hole to see if it was that, it was and got it removed have not had any trouble since and I went privately for an assessment to get a report and got they're support for my appeal too.
Is there any way my appeal could be overturned. I belive I'm 110% fit both mentally and physically that's why I appealed and spent the money as I know I'm capable if i thought I wasn't I wouldn't have wasted my time and alot of other people's time.
I know each case is different and the two reasons of my rejection is a pmu bar of entry but surely with all the evidence I have something positive might happen just want to go to the assessment centre so I can prove myself and if I got a no there I'd take it on the chin.
I've got my shit together to join I'm fit and healthy and have been working towards this for two years it's not a random career choice it's what I want I'm 27.
 
Hello again guys med passed today... finally. November 5th 2 day assesment booked.

They mentioned the breath test lung test as historical asthma as a kid.
My 1.5 time is 9.36 I was wondering what is the pass or fail lung capacity. I doubt there will be an issue as I am active with most the stuff I do. Just another worry probably about nothing.

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Hello again guys med passed today... finally. November 5th 2 day assesment booked.

They mentioned the breath test lung test as historical asthma as a kid.
My 1.5 time is 9.36 I was wondering what is the pass or fail lung capacity. I doubt there will be an issue as I am active with most the stuff I do. Just another worry probably about nothing.

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Spirometry is nothing you can practice really and if I said that your FEV1 needed to be a set amount and your FVC needed to be another number, would that help? Would you know what it means?

Basically you need to inflate your lungs, seal your mouth around the tube, and blow out as hard and as fast as you possibly can.

If you are a dirty smoker then not smoking for an hour before the test is a good idea

Spirometry gives three important measures: – FEV1: the volume of air that the patient is able to exhale in the first second of forced expiration – FVC: the total volume of air that the patient can forcibly exhale in one breath – FEV1/FVC: the ratio of FEV1 to FVC expressed as a percentage
 
I'm currently awaiting on my level 1b appeal to see if I'm successful to join or at least get to the assessment centre.
To give you a short brief summary I got rejected due to a past eating disorder in 2010. I have went privately spending nearly £900 to get evidence to support my appeal which I saw a professional doctor went through my notes etc and he has done a report supporting me it wasn't serious I just came out a toxic relationship and my mum had cancer I just couldnt eat reason being I went skinny not because I wanted to anyway lasted four months if your Lucky and have never had any problems since then apparently back then that's what they said it was anoxeria but the professional doctor I went to see for an assessment said it was stress related etc.
Also I endometriosis removed as I had slight pain nothing I couldn't handle but got told to go for a key hole to see if it was that, it was and got it removed have not had any trouble since and I went privately for an assessment to get a report and got they're support for my appeal too.
Is there any way my appeal could be overturned. I belive I'm 110% fit both mentally and physically that's why I appealed and spent the money as I know I'm capable if i thought I wasn't I wouldn't have wasted my time and alot of other people's time.
I know each case is different and the two reasons of my rejection is a pmu bar of entry but surely with all the evidence I have something positive might happen just want to go to the assessment centre so I can prove myself and if I got a no there I'd take it on the chin.
I've got my shit together to join I'm fit and healthy and have been working towards this for two years it's not a random career choice it's what I want I'm 27.
Sorry to hear about that.

Manage your expectations is my advice.

Any history of eating disorders or any other psychiatric disorder is likely to be significant issue with regard medical suitability to join. It doesn’t bode well I’m afraid.

Best of luck.
 
Sorry to hear about that.

Manage your expectations is my advice.

Any history of eating disorders or any other psychiatric disorder is likely to be significant issue with regard medical suitability to join. It doesn’t bode well I’m afraid.

Best of luck.
not forgetting that sometimes 'a single stressor' can be taken into account, there are two for our unlucky potential recruit
 
Spirometry is nothing you can practice really and if I said that your FEV1 needed to be a set amount and your FVC needed to be another number, would that help? Would you know what it means?

Basically you need to inflate your lungs, seal your mouth around the tube, and blow out as hard and as fast as you possibly can.

If you are a dirty smoker then not smoking for an hour before the test is a good idea

Spirometry gives three important measures: – FEV1: the volume of air that the patient is able to exhale in the first second of forced expiration – FVC: the total volume of air that the patient can forcibly exhale in one breath – FEV1/FVC: the ratio of FEV1 to FVC expressed as a percentage
Thanks and nope they mean nothing to me. I have done one before but it was a while ago, I presumed it was a number that you had to get above so to speak. No I haven't ever smoked so just maintain my fitness PRAC I can imagine will be a lot harder is there a medical on that as well. Or if after the 2 day assessment should I expect red tape and the process to go smoother accept injuries or DBS checks.
 
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Evening chaps just looking a bit of insight from anyone who can advise I was about to leave for training 22nd October but was told on Friday that due to them
Not having reviewed my primary health care report it’s on hold because I was born with hydrocephalus I was never treated for it and except for having a fat head it’s never been a problem I didn’t even know I was born with it I’ve spoke with my doctor and he said it was looked at from when I was 1 and signed off when I was 3 with no treatment needed and it was just left at that. What is the chances of this being lifted they have told me it could be a perminant bar to entry but like I’ve said it’s never cause me any issues at all I’m generally fit and healthy can anyone shed any light anyone with hydrocephalus get in before now ? Thanks
 
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Evening chaps just looking a bit of insight from anyone who can advise I was about to leave for training 22nd October but was told on Friday that due to them
Not having reviewed my primary health care report it’s on hold because I was born with hydrocephalus I was never treated for it and except for having a fat head it’s never been a problem I didn’t even know I was born with it I’ve spoke with my doctor and he said it was looked at from when I was 1 and signed off when I was 3 with no treatment needed and it was just left at that. What is the chances of this being lifted they have told me it could be a perminant bar to entry but like I’ve said it’s never cause me any issues at all I’m generally fit and healthy can anyone shed any light anyone with hydrocephalus get in before now ? Thanks
Well- this isn’t your usual “I had asthma as a child, can I still join” question.

A quick glance at the JSP states that a history of Hydrocephalus (with or without shunt) results in the candidate being permanently unsuitable for entry into the Armed Forces.

NHS guidance suggests there's always going to be risk of a blockage even years after any surgery, which will cause your symptoms to return.

But if you have never had any treatment despite being diagnosed then it’s very much in the lap of the gods with what will happen.

Essentially this is clearly one of those rare conditions you’ll have to just wait and see what the Senior Medical Officer decides.

Might be a good idea to arm yourself with as much clinical evidence as possible.
 
Well- this isn’t your usual “I had asthma as a child, can I still join” question.

A quick glance at the JSP states that a history of Hydrocephalus (with or without shunt) results in the candidate being permanently unsuitable for entry into the Armed Forces.

NHS guidance suggests there's always going to be risk of a blockage even years after any surgery, which will cause your symptoms to return.

But if you have never had any treatment despite being diagnosed then it’s very much in the lap of the gods with what will happen.

Essentially this is clearly one of those rare conditions you’ll have to just wait and see what the Senior Medical Officer decides.

Might be a good idea to arm yourself with as much clinical evidence as possible.
Booked in to speak with my gp and trying to get some time with a specialist who can give me some info fingers crossed it’s all ok passed assessment had my bags packed ready to go.
 

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Well- this isn’t your usual “I had asthma as a child, can I still join” question.

A quick glance at the JSP states that a history of Hydrocephalus (with or without shunt) results in the candidate being permanently unsuitable for entry into the Armed Forces.

NHS guidance suggests there's always going to be risk of a blockage even years after any surgery, which will cause your symptoms to return.

But if you have never had any treatment despite being diagnosed then it’s very much in the lap of the gods with what will happen.

Essentially this is clearly one of those rare conditions you’ll have to just wait and see what the Senior Medical Officer decides.

Might be a good idea to arm yourself with as much clinical evidence as possible.

Also perhaps check with the QM that they have a beret that fits.
 
for the second medical at the start of phase one, what do they check that they don't in selection?
Why what are you hiding?


Essentially the same medical but this time they have your complete medical records at their fingertips. So any mistruths or undisclosed material will come to light.

Oh and they will stick lots of needles in your disgusting civvie arm.

Don’t flap.

Enjoy.
 
Booked in to speak with my gp and trying to get some time with a specialist who can give me some info fingers crossed it’s all ok passed assessment had my bags packed ready to go.
Two questions:

1) Did you have any surgery to reduce the pressure on your brain at all?

2) Does your hairdresser charge you petrol money when grooming your big dome?
 

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