All medical chat and queries in here. Please don't start a new one for every single medical question.

Sorry to hear that.

Did this flair after your army service? How long did you serve- there is relevance to this question, don’t worry I’m not just making small talk.

For incredibly obvious reasons respiratory problems are a common cause of medical unsuitability to join.

Costochondritis can only be managed not cured.
The gamble for those making a decision isn’t an issue of permanent health problems, but the risk relapse. Anything that ends in “itis” means inflammation of some form. And inflammatory issues can always be re triggered and resurface.

Guidance says it can be aggravated by any activity that places stress on your chest area, such as strenuous exercise or even simple movements like reaching up above your head like rope climbing.

Generally speaking there's no shortage of similarly-placed blokes wishing to re-join & many are still perfectly fit to be soldiers, you aren’t. So your former service doesn’t mean a great deal.

Getting knocked-back at medical, for whatever reason, is a hard pill to swallow if you are trying to rejoin and I feel for you but be prepared to dust yourself off and look for a job elsewhere.

I once had the displeasure of having to deal with a self-induced casualty in the middle of a contact in a lovely little Kalay called Loy Mandeh (anyone else have the joy of this place?)

It later transpired that this lad, not long out of catters, had managed to slip through a net with a childhood respiratory issue. If anyone recalls the clusterf*ck it was during the op to turn one of the compounds into a TCP, the one only just across from CP Karim. Shudder.

Anyway this bloke compromised not only his own safety but his oppos! We ended up having to request a PEDRO (Too hot for MERT) to evac him following a 9 liner. Whilst this mong lay on his back wheezing and sputtering as our multiple dodged UGLs. So it’s a subject close to my heart. It is lessons like this that can’t be forgotten.

Regardless of your lovely MMA training in a nice gym, squaddies still operate in extrermes of climate and altitude, often without medical cover at the limits of physical endurarance.

Like I said good luck but I wouldn’t bet much money on you coming back.

Hi,
Yes it flared a couple of years after I left. I was in for 3 years.
I get that respiratory problems are a no-no but this never affected me other than being mildly uncomfortable, I was still able to do my job and play 5-a-side.
So I first got "Costacondritis" about 2 years after I left and I had it once, each winter, lasting for a week or so at a time for 3 years ending around 2010. I quit smoking around 2011 and stopped getting it, dunno if this is just a coincidence or linked. I moved to a different part of the country 4 years ago and started smoking again, this lasted maybe 2 months before I gave up again as it made me feel like crap, this also coincides with the last time I had "Costacondritis". Each time I had it the pain/discomfort lasted a few days to a week max.
[EDIT] Another note of potential coincidental importance. The first times I got the pain ('08-'10), I rented a house that had a pretty bad damp/mould issue that got worse in the winter months. We moved out of this house in the summer of 2011.

The reason I have put costacondritis in quotation marks is because I am not entirely sure that is what I had. Each time I went into the doctors after my initial diagnosis I explained that it felt similar (Note: This doesnt mean exactly the same) to what I was first diagnosed with and they just prescribed me some anti-inflammatory pills and painkillers. However after looking it up, the area I got the pain doesn't fit the diagnosis. Costacondritis pain should be around the Sternum if I am not mistaken but the pain was more under around the lower ribcage on my right hand side. It probably feels more akin to a stitch if I were to describe it with no prior knowledge of my initial diagnosis. Google tells me I am probably dying so I don't even know what the alternative could be.

The initial diagnosis might have been correct though as I seem to remember getting the chest pain after having the flu and the doc saying it may have been caused by the cough I had but even then I remember the pain was down one side of my chest and not in the middle.

For the past 12 months I have been doing various training in prep for the selection, more recently is the Charity MMA thing (2 hours twice a week), there is a running club that does HIIT (1.5 hours once a week) and I have been running myself 2-3 miles a week. Other than that I have also been doing various other moderate/mild exercises during the week. I would say I exercise for around 8-9 hours a week in total, 6-7 hours of which is pretty intense.
Prior to my recent change in training regime (which happened 3 months ago) I was running 2-5 miles twice a week and doing circuit/interval training twice a week this was probably for 6-9 months. The only pain I have had during this is from aching muscles lol and a stitch, nothing else. I have been going at it pretty hard and I feel great, I was excited for selection as I believe I would currently smash the fitness.

I just want to make sure I correctly follow the appeals procedure. If what you say is true and Costacondritis cannot be cured and only managed then surely there is a way to say whether or not I have it. Unless I misunderstood.

I don't want to miss out on the career I want because I may have incorrectly described something to the doctor and if I can prove it I want that opportunity. I came to ask for advice on the kinds of evidence they want to see in the appeal, as the woman on the phone was very vague in saying I needed to see my GP and get them to write a letter explaining their thoughts on it.
I have thought of going to see a specialist but don't know exactly what kinds of "evidence" they are wanting.

Thanks for the replies so far.
 
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@DJRenegade


You need to produce qualified medical evidence (not opinion) that the condition is fully resolved to the extent that a future relasp is no more likely than a person who has never suffered from the condition.

Essentially the evidence would need to medically prove that the condition was a one-off and was successfully treated and will not re-occur in a demanding operational environment.
 
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Quite a few questions being fired about recently about appeals.

Remember- chances are you can find exactly what you are looking for by searching the site.

But as a rough rule of thumb if you are certain you are in a position to appeal then you need to get a full copy of your medical notes. Not a watered down, out of context snippet.


You will need to appeal with qualified supporting clinical evidence and not just your GP’s humble opinion. Many GPs are completely naive to the rigours of Army training & operational requirements.


Always pause and think what “medical evidence” actually means. It refers to facts that will help a medical examiner establish the truth about how you meet the eligibility standards. Facts that explain your condition/lack of and clear facts about how you are functionally affected by your condition.

When done correctly, a lot of time can be saved by appealing properly.

Simply include the evidence from your GP or if possible a specialist Consultant with detailed knowledge of the condition you are appealing. Ensure they include full diagnostic rational and history/dates that relate to your condition. This will really speed things up.

Put all medical notes in a separate sealed envelope. Write your full name with your surname in capitals and your date of birth on the outside. In large clear writing write the words "OFFICIAL- MEDICAL PERSONAL” along the top of the envelope.

Let the experts then do their thing and accept they know what they are doing. If it’s meant to be- you’ll get in. If not then move on.
 
A new thread to allow potential recruits to raise medical questions. The old one has become very unwieldy and is now locked.

Points to note:

Recruits/potential recruits:

1. No-one on here has access to your full medical records, so advice is likely to be general at best, and at worst wild guesswork.

2. Look at the detail in the JSP 950 thread Medical info on recruiting - JSP 950 replaces JSP 346 | Army Rumour Service before asking whether your particular medical issue will be a problem.

3. The recruiting offices appear to be full of people who only have an inhaler because their Mum asked for one for "mummy's little soldier". The same goes for applicants who were not really depressed or suffering from Asperger's, it was just that the doctor was confused and got it all wrong. They all get treated according to what their medical records say, not what Mummy says or what you think it should say.

4. Don't put personal details on here. Not a good idea.

5. If your application is rejected and you are told you can appeal, guess what you should do? Yup, appeal. Follow the process and try to provide new information to support your case. The Mrs Doyle approach isn't the best plan.

6. Most importantly - use the search function and read back over the thread before you post the 27th enquiry that week about how long you have to be inhaler free following childhood asthma.

Other site members: This is not the NAAFI. It is a (relatively) safe space for potential recruits to raise medical questions. If your post is not accurate, current and helpful then it doesn't belong here. Points will rapidly follow for anyone not able to understand this simple instruction.
Hey so about 4 years ago I was perscribed and inhaler with sport induced asthma bare in mind that was the only inhaler I have ever used.

Anyway I'm hoping for a place in the September 2019 intake of AFC Harrogate next year so I went to my nurse to see if I still have asthma and I don't and she marked on my file that it has resolved however my last perscribed inhaler was last year in October 2017. I was just looking for some information as to whether I could still join before going to the army careers office on Wednesday. I have never used this site before so correct me if I am using it wrong.

Thank you for taking the time to reply or even look and this post!
 
Hey so about 4 years ago I was perscribed and inhaler with sport induced asthma bare in mind that was the only inhaler I have ever used.

Anyway I'm hoping for a place in the September 2019 intake of AFC Harrogate next year so I went to my nurse to see if I still have asthma and I don't and she marked on my file that it has resolved however my last perscribed inhaler was last year in October 2017. I was just looking for some information as to whether I could still join before going to the army careers office on Wednesday. I have never used this site before so correct me if I am using it wrong.

Thank you for taking the time to reply or even look and this post!

Policy is 4 years clear of an incident or prescription.

Non negotiable.
 
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Interesting thread. My son (13) has just been diagnosed with ADHD which might set him back or cause us to look elsewhere when he's finished school.
For ADHD you must be three years clear of symptoms & medications in order to be deemed fit to join.

Adult ADHD is unfortunately a show stopper. Hopefully he grows out of it after his teens.
 
Policy is 4 years clear of an incident or prescription.

Non negotiable.
But my school are going to write or something saying that I have never used or had an attack in the past 4 years of being there and I have never had any chest infections or had to stop doing sport with an inhaler since primary school plus I still have the inhaler from the prescription in a box that hasn't been used
 
But my school are going to write or something saying that I have never used or had an attack in the past 4 years of being there and I have never had any chest infections or had to stop doing sport with an inhaler since primary school plus I still have the inhaler from the prescription in a box that hasn't been used
From what I am aware though, you have to be 4 years clear of prescription. Clear of symptoms is a different story but they will question why you where prescribed one. As Medic says, non negotiable but there is never any harm in trying, applying or asking.
 
But my school are going to write or something saying that I have never used or had an attack in the past 4 years of being there and I have never had any chest infections or had to stop doing sport with an inhaler since primary school plus I still have the inhaler from the prescription in a box that hasn't been used
They aren't qualified to do so. This sounds depressingly familiar. Establish a stop date for prescription then four years thereafter, free of further prescription or symptoms then you might be in with a chance. Evidence ,evidence , evidence in your case.
 
The reason for the 4 year clear policy is that the military must be satisfied that you have grown out of childhood asthma.

Some good information on this thread surrounding this.

Best of luck
 
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Hi. So a friend of a friend is involved in the medical side of things army related and I've been in contact with him re eyesight requirements. Through my friend he says standards may well be relaxed in a few months due to recruitment crisis. Any truth to this anyone know?

I appreciate it's conjecture and 'there's always rumours' but it would help me if there were truth to them. Thank you.
 
Go to your optician and get a copy of your prescription . Your optician may well know the minimum requirements for service in any case if they carry out tests for the military. Eyesight requirements differ for different jobs so go to the AFCO with your prescription. Relying on rumours from a friend of a friend is unwise. Get the correct information from the horses mouth as it were.
 
Hi. So a friend of a friend is involved in the medical side of things army related and I've been in contact with him re eyesight requirements. Through my friend he says standards may well be relaxed in a few months due to recruitment crisis. Any truth to this anyone know?

I appreciate it's conjecture and 'there's always rumours' but it would help me if there were truth to them. Thank you.

eyesight standards are fairly low already, drop them much further and Mr Magoo could pass them
 
Nope. Pure bollocks.
it comes around every couple of years, the (new user) poster claims a 'mate' who has something to do with army medicine says rules on (insert medical condition here) are going to be relaxed (insert vague time scale here)
 
it comes around every couple of years, the (new user) poster claims a 'mate' who has something to do with army medicine says rules on (insert medical condition here) are going to be relaxed (insert vague time scale here)
A medic who is not connected to the poster by friendship, but is connected to him by being a friend of someone who he thinks he is friends with. How tragic.

Why do all these people have connections to these medics in fancy jobs. Does no one know anyone in 4 Med that can lace up an 18x24 with minimal supervision anymore?

There isn’t a lot of change from the PAP10 to be honest.

@DBarnett have a look at this great thread on the subject. Still very relevant.

https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/eyesight-requirements-tables-from-pap10.179758/

Best of luck.

Oh and sack this mysterious medic “friend of a friend” off. He probably thinks you are blind and is making rude hand gestures at you.
 
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To everyone who helped with my medical appeal - I have heard back today that it has been upheld - so thank you all for your words of wisdom! The admin team said it was one of the clearest and best structured appeals they have read in a long time!
 
To everyone who helped with my medical appeal - I have heard back today that it has been upheld - so thank you all for your words of wisdom! The admin team said it was one of the clearest and best structured appeals they have read in a long time!
Brilliant to hear! It means there is hope for me yet as well!
 
A medic who is not connected to the poster by friendship, but is connected to him by being a friend of someone who he thinks he is friends with. How tragic.

Why do all these people have connections to these medics in fancy jobs. Does no one know anyone in 4 Med that can lace up an 18x24 with minimal supervision anymore?

There isn’t a lot of change from the PAP10 to be honest.

@DBarnett have a look at this great thread on the subject. Still very relevant.

https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/eyesight-requirements-tables-from-pap10.179758/

Best of luck.

Oh and sack this mysterious medic “friend of a friend” off. He probably thinks you are blind and is making rude hand gestures at you.
Hi, yes I know my original post sounds stupid but to expand. I have recently been failed on my eyesight because it is outside the +/-6.00 requirement. One eye was inside the other 0.50 out.

A friend is a serving infantry officer and has worse eyesight than me but joined 10+ years ago so it was acceptable at the time (I believe standards changed five years ago). He offered to get advice from medical friend who said about rumours of changing criteria in certain areas because of recruitment difficulties.

As this board has been incredibly helpful to date I thought I'd ask. I was applying for Reserves and yes had read individual role eyesight requirements as didn't realise I was just outside cut off at the time.

I don't know what grounds I have to appeal on as optometrist has already ruled out changing my diagnosis. So that's why my one hope is if they change the criteria!

Thanks anyway.
 

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